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Title: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: AETC on Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 21:39 PM

1. Will there be a repeat of the Coinneach Macandrais ‘it’s a sort of Burns’ Night Special’?

As the (thinks-he’s) great man said, “same time, same time, same place ... see you all next yeuhrl” so we’ll maybe even get to hear his other song one of these Burns’ Nights.

2. With things as they are, and likely to continue for some time, can the JAMP Patreons expect the 3 tier subscription model to roll on beyond the first 12 months?

It’s looking like we’ll create a single, low cost subscription, one size fits all, of exclusive digital only content and then open an online shop of sorts to tempt you all with small numbers of handmade rarities from back then, now and beyond.

3. Will there be a chance to buy older titles that were only available at the gigs of yesteryear, in particular the Bard and the Ugly Twosome?

A return to live music looks unlikely for a good while yet, so as we say in the nudist camp, please ‘bare’ with us as we re-jig the JAMP Patreon page and see about getting the fence elves back to work.



As always thank you all for helping to keep the good ship JAMP afloat.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 21:40 PM
There’s another song?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 19:52 PM
braw.  :)
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 11:38 AM
I’ve just started writing a piece on the JAMP story thus far for the spring jampzine with last night’s YouTube chat between Molten Modular and Steve Davis (yup) ringing joyously in my ears, and had this thought:- Maybe y’all could pose some music/song/album/event related questions for yours truly?

If nothing else it’ll give me an excuse to dodge homeschool teaching for an hour or two, liven up the Hub, and maybe generate some content for the ‘zine. Yay.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 16:02 PM
I'll go first. What is the background to the lyric, 'I learned from the Gaels that the Viennese have a vacancy for a brand new Santa Claus'?



Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: franzkafka on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 16:20 PM
Speaking of the 3 tier subscription model, is there any point in upgrading to the high jamp from raspberry at this stage, since you may be about to introduce a single tier model?

By the way, the bureaucracy is a wee bit kafkaesque unless you're ocd and like these inscrutable types of thing. :o

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: franzkafka on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 16:32 PM
I've got an event question.  Back in the mists of yesteryear when you had your gammy leg and plaster, there was a gig where towards the very end, you were singing front of stage when an american broad came barreling through the mass of bodies, shouting "I love you Kenny..."  she tried to hug you but succeeded in knocking you to the ground where you very cooly continued the song from your prone position, microphone in hand.  She ran back into the crowd mortified.  All very hilarious.  So the question is: where and what was the gig (it was in Crail, possibly the town hall or legion club)  and what song were you singing? 

If anyone can shed some light, please do - it's a small hole in my memory.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Sunday_Boy on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 16:55 PM
I'd be interested to know whence Phil Jupitus sprung
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 18:48 PM
I've got an event question.  Back in the mists of yesteryear when you had your gammy leg and plaster, there was a gig where towards the very end, you were singing front of stage when an american broad came barreling through the mass of bodies, shouting "I love you Kenny..."  she tried to hug you but succeeded in knocking you to the ground where you very cooly continued the song from your prone position, microphone in hand.  She ran back into the crowd mortified.  All very hilarious.  So the question is: where and what was the gig (it was in Crail, possibly the town hall or legion club)  and what song were you singing? 

If anyone can shed some light, please do - it's a small hole in my memory.

My resident historian reckons it was upstairs in the Town Hall. I seem to think Kimmers has been MIA ever since.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 19:21 PM
I'll go first. What is the background to the lyric, 'I learned from the Gaels that the Viennese have a vacancy for a brand new Santa Claus'?

In my search for something decent to listen to on the radio, and having spun the dial past the best on offer - a Paul Simon track (I really like Paul Simon but as good as he is i’ve heard Call Me Al one too many times) - I found a Gaelic programme on Radio Scotland. Having heard what I thought sounded most like ‘Viennese’ ‘vacancy’ and ‘Santa Claus’ in amongst the indecipherable stream of Gaelic I reckoned it would be funny to admit to being one of those folks who claim to know a foreign language but who obviously have no idea, whilst hoping for a Christmas number one at the same time.

I do have a bit of French all the same. A better story is that whilst waiting to play a festival in Poland with Jon Hopkins in 2012, a repeat appearance for JH having stormed the dance tent the year before, we agreed to do interviews, one of them for an Austrian music paper. We were asked if we knew we’d been played quite a bit on the Austrian equivalent of daytime Radio One, at which JH puffed up his feathers somewhat and then began to down play our Mercury nod, Bats In The Attic remix, blah, at which point the interviewer butted in with “oh no - it was the song Doubles Underneath”.

“That’s nothing” says I “you want to see the star treatment I get at Kilrenny Church Teas”.



Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 19:27 PM
Speaking of the 3 tier subscription model, is there any point in upgrading to the high jamp from raspberry at this stage, since you may be about to introduce a single tier model?

By the way, the bureaucracy is a wee bit kafkaesque unless you're ocd and like these inscrutable types of thing. :o

I’ll say ‘yes’ because I already know three of the tracks to feature on February’s album of the month, and we’re planning something quite special for a ‘live’ last hurrah in March. You’ll get the printed ‘zine whether Raspberry or High in March, of course, and whilst we might extend the viewing of the last hurrah to both these tiers, the Highs will get something extra and physical.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 19:36 PM
I've got an event question.  Back in the mists of yesteryear when you had your gammy leg and plaster, there was a gig where towards the very end, you were singing front of stage when an american broad came barreling through the mass of bodies, shouting "I love you Kenny..."  she tried to hug you but succeeded in knocking you to the ground where you very cooly continued the song from your prone position, microphone in hand.  She ran back into the crowd mortified.  All very hilarious.  So the question is: where and what was the gig (it was in Crail, possibly the town hall or legion club)  and what song were you singing? 

If anyone can shed some light, please do - it's a small hole in my memory.

It was the World Tour Of Crail, and yes, Kim bowled me right over in the Town Hall upstairs. I was singing the lines

 “now’s the time to throw yourselves at me
  oh wives of the footloose and fancy free”

from the JY song “Marriagewreckers”, not thinking for one second anyone would take it quite so literally.

Kim’s husband was very nice about it, and the 3 of us settled down for a few years up near Auchmithie.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 19:42 PM
I'd be interested to know whence Phil Jupitus sprung

Even at a stretch I don’t think this can be considered event related. Is it another line from a JY song?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 20:45 PM
aff the tap o my heid...



1. does een know about pie in the sky?


2. was there a particular moment that
you realised the fence thing was fucked?
or was it a gradual realisation that it wasn’t
going the way you envisaged.


3. will there ever be a kc hms g duet album?
as everyone knows love + hate is a fucking
masterpiece.


4. have you ever considered doing more
kompanion sets for your albums? the pf
c06 is one of my most played kc discs.



5. you like to reinterpret your own work.
any plans to revisit classics the soak and
jack shit.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: franzkafka on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 21:46 PM
when you get a bit of time after answering leckers theres this:
I was singing the lines
 “now’s the time to throw yourselves at me
  oh wives of the footloose and fancy free”

from the JY song “Marriagewreckers”, not thinking for one second anyone would take it quite so literally.

Kim’s husband was very nice about it, and the 3 of us settled down for a few years up near Auchmithie.

I know fine you would never finish a gig with a JY song so that's a filthy fib!


I did live in a commune in Auchmithie for a few years around that time with several wives and I remember you zooming around on a motorcycle, all three of you. Happy days.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 22:25 PM
Has covid-19 or Brexit had a detrimental effect on your farm?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 22:37 PM
aff the tap o my heid...



1. does een know about pie in the sky?

The phrase ‘pie in the sky’? I’m sure he does, nothing to see/hear etc.


2. was there a particular moment that
you realised the fence thing was fucked?
or was it a gradual realisation that it wasn’t
going the way you envisaged.

If by ‘the fence thing’ you mean Fence Records Ltd., then at the end of its first year of business I wrote a very long and detailed email to ‘those’ concerned as to why I could no longer carry on in such an enterprise. That email, and many of those that followed, are best left for my, or my heir’s, memoirs methinks. I consider it a huge relief that fence has reverted to what it was in the early years, i.e. a label for my music and that of family and friends, and on that ‘score’ there’s hopefully plenty more to come.


3. will there ever be a kc hms g duet album?
as everyone knows love + hate is a fucking
masterpiece.

HMS G has just this minute pointed out that at no time during the making of Love Plus Hate were her and I in the same room at the same time, and despite my many collaborations over the years she maintains to this day that I am impossible to work with.


4. have you ever considered doing more
kompanion sets for your albums? the pf
c06 is one of my most played kc discs.

I ought to record a Kompanion Cet for Blue On Yellow and release it ahead of the actual album - this very much appeals to my sense of orderly chaos, thanks for that Lex.



5. you like to reinterpret your own work.
any plans to revisit classics the soak and
jack shit.

To be honest I haven’t considered those two, yet again ably demonstrating that my idea of a kc classic differs from everyone else’s. For example in the Diamond Mine 2 discussion not one person suggested Altar Baiting James, the only song of mine that JH was keen to have a crack at in the wake of the Jubilee edition. It was going to get the full choir treatment.

Since my year out in 2017, that kept on going until March 2020 pretty much, I’ve all but shaken off the pressure to write songs, and in their stead have written and recorded more music than at any time other than 2002’s 6 albums or whatever. If i’m given the chance to record an album worthy of a ‘proper’ release, 8 or 9 songs instead of rambling tape loops and modular synth hiccups, then reworking the back catalogue might be my only option.

Good questions Leckers, you definitely haven’t given up the day job  :)


Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 22:39 PM
when you get a bit of time after answering leckers theres this:
I was singing the lines
 “now’s the time to throw yourselves at me
  oh wives of the footloose and fancy free”

from the JY song “Marriagewreckers”, not thinking for one second anyone would take it quite so literally.

Kim’s husband was very nice about it, and the 3 of us settled down for a few years up near Auchmithie.

I know fine you would never finish a gig with a JY song so that's a filthy fib!


I did live in a commune in Auchmithie for a few years around that time with several wives and I remember you zooming around on a motorcycle, all three of you. Happy days.

Now you’re the one fibbing - it was a motorbike and sidecar.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 23:14 PM
aff the tap o my heid...



1. does een know about pie in the sky?

The phrase ‘pie in the sky’? I’m sure he does, nothing to see/hear etc.


2. was there a particular moment that
you realised the fence thing was fucked?
or was it a gradual realisation that it wasn’t
going the way you envisaged.

If by ‘the fence thing’ you mean Fence Records Ltd., then at the end of its first year of business I wrote a very long and detailed email to ‘those’ concerned as to why I could no longer carry on in such an enterprise. That email, and many of those that followed, are best left for my, or my heir’s, memoirs methinks. I consider it a huge relief that fence has reverted to what it was in the early years, i.e. a label for my music and that of family and friends, and on that ‘score’ there’s hopefully plenty more to come.


3. will there ever be a kc hms g duet album?
as everyone knows love + hate is a fucking
masterpiece.

HMS G has just this minute pointed out that at no time during the making of Love Plus Hate were her and I in the same room at the same time, and despite my many collaborations over the years she maintains to this day that I am impossible to work with.


4. have you ever considered doing more
kompanion sets for your albums? the pf
c06 is one of my most played kc discs.

I ought to record a Kompanion Cet for Blue On Yellow and release it ahead of the actual album - this very much appeals to my sense of orderly chaos, thanks for that Lex.



5. you like to reinterpret your own work.
any plans to revisit classics the soak and
jack shit.

To be honest I haven’t considered those two, yet again ably demonstrating that my idea of a kc classic differs from everyone else’s. For example in the Diamond Mine 2 discussion not one person suggested Altar Baiting James, the only song of mine that JH was keen to have a crack at in the wake of the Jubilee edition. It was going to get the full choir treatment.

Since my year out in 2017, that kept on going until March 2020 pretty much, I’ve all but shaken off the pressure to write songs, and in their stead have written and recorded more music than at any time other than 2002’s 6 albums or whatever. If i’m given the chance to record an album worthy of a ‘proper’ release, 8 or 9 songs instead of rambling tape loops and modular synth hiccups, then reworking the back catalogue might be my only option.

Good questions Leckers, you definitely haven’t given up the day job  :)




ha yeah, day job still intact.
bills need paying you know.

2 - i just meant the fence thing
as a concept not just the company
bit. to this layman i knew the game
was up when the homegame split
over two weekends and then there
was the one with official doormen
with yellow vests on. those first few
homegames were a dream in comparison.

3 - yeah i know you never recorded
together as it were, but we all hope
jen comes out of retirement someday.
and what better way than an album
together. she probably hates the idea.
in fact i think i can hear her internal
scream from here.

4 - love that idea. get on it.

5 - we could be here all day going over
songs for a new diamond mine. there’s
so many beauts hidden away in the myriad
of albums you’ve released.

but yeah, the soak and jack shit do it for me.


Oh and number 6 while I’m here:


there must be so much pigeon music
hidden away in boxes under your bed.
would he mind us hearing some of it?

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 00:23 AM
7 - you once said you were
like henry. who is henry?

the waltzer version is great
but i think the b side to home
in a sentence beats it. just.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Jackie on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 08:31 AM
I loved the Bits of Strange songs especially Swallow Dive (if I have the song title right?) Any likelihood of new versions of them?
Will tickets be made available for the 'live' March event? Can't really justify a monthly subscription to anything at the moment sadly.

I had forgotten all about Kimmers, she disappeared from the scene as abruptly as she arrived!
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 12:56 PM
Has covid-19 or Brexit had a detrimental effect on your farm?

Quite the opposite. I am currently quarrying sand on Rassvet, a Russian map, in a working bubble of one. What with sand deliveries from Leuchars getting caught up in red tape at the European ports it would appear the Finns’ sand timer industry would rather buy their tiny amounts of fine grained sand from me now. Alas, my sand is of a lower grade and now all their fairy cakes are coming out of the ovens slightly burnt.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 13:31 PM


2 - i just meant the fence thing
as a concept not just the company
bit. to this layman i knew the game
was up when the homegame split
over two weekends and then there
was the one with official doormen
with yellow vests on. those first few
homegames were a dream in comparison.

We peaked at HG2, the one I remember absolutely nothing about, after which Fife Council upheld a single unsubstantiated complaint and then did their best to move the whole event to Rothes Halls. The resulting furore brought us a lot of attention, the wrong sort and mostly unwelcome as far as I was concerned. After HG3 I championed the smaller, more manageable event every other year, and when that became too much of a battle tried to put on a smaller event within the bigger event, such as the Bits of Strange in the ‘room upstairs’.

Having played a lot of festivals, an HG worst of still ranks higher than most  ;)

I like to think that the Haarfests, Bunfights and the World Tours picked up where HG left off.


Oh and number 6 while I’m here:


there must be so much pigeon music
hidden away in boxes under your bed.
would he mind us hearing some of it?
[/quote]

Two words - Concubine Rice - an experience neither I, nor Gummi, would ever want to repeat. Having said that I went back to the boxes 18 months ago and worked on a couple of things, more music to gather dust on the shelf.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 13:34 PM
7 - you once said you were
like henry. who is henry?

the waltzer version is great
but i think the b side to home
in a sentence beats it. just.

Henry is the time travelling husband in the book ‘the time traveller’s wife’. The b side you mention has world class players all over it, the original just me.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 13:38 PM
I loved the Bits of Strange songs especially Swallow Dive (if I have the song title right?) Any likelihood of new versions of them?
Will tickets be made available for the 'live' March event?

As it happens somebody living close by is recording the 20th Bit Of Strange as I type. No tickets as such, but we’ll try to figure a way in which each tier gets a proportional chunk of the ‘gig’, and then afterwards figure out a way for folks to view the entire year’s “highlights”.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Jackie on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 13:45 PM
Brilliant, thanks Kwaing. Hope you and yours are all staying well and relatively sane. We miss the Neuk x
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Jackie on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 13:52 PM
Also Mull was one of my favourite weeks ever. Company, music, scenery it was all perfect.
Although there was that terrifying night when we all had to drive across the island in dense fog, highland coos and sheep not to mention hair pin bends looming out of nowhere!
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 14:24 PM


2 - i just meant the fence thing
as a concept not just the company
bit. to this layman i knew the game
was up when the homegame split
over two weekends and then there
was the one with official doormen
with yellow vests on. those first few
homegames were a dream in comparison.

We peaked at HG2, the one I remember absolutely nothing about, after which Fife Council upheld a single unsubstantiated complaint and then did their best to move the whole event to Rothes Halls. The resulting furore brought us a lot of attention, the wrong sort and mostly unwelcome as far as I was concerned. After HG3 I championed the smaller, more manageable event every other year, and when that became too much of a battle tried to put on a smaller event within the bigger event, such as the Bits of Strange in the ‘room upstairs’.

Having played a lot of festivals, an HG worst of still ranks higher than most  ;)

I like to think that the Haarfests, Bunfights and the World Tours picked up where HG left off.


Oh and number 6 while I’m here:


there must be so much pigeon music
hidden away in boxes under your bed.
would he mind us hearing some of it?

Two words - Concubine Rice - an experience neither I, nor Gummi, would ever want to repeat. Having said that I went back to the boxes 18 months ago and worked on a couple of things, more music to gather dust on the shelf.
[/quote]


i shall keep my digits crossed
that we mere mortals get to
hear some of that very soon.
dust or no dust.


and yeah, we miss those little
festivals so much. at the time,
i don’t think we realised how
lucky we were.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 14:41 PM
7 - you once said you were
like henry. who is henry?

the waltzer version is great
but i think the b side to home
in a sentence beats it. just.

Henry is the time travelling husband in the book ‘the time traveller’s wife’. The b side you mention has world class players all over it, the original just me.


gotcha. not a tome i
am that familiar with.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 14:45 PM
Also Mull was one of my favourite weeks ever. Company, music, scenery it was all perfect.
Although there was that terrifying night when we all had to drive across the island in dense fog, highland coos and sheep not to mention hair pin bends looming out of nowhere!

yeah jackie, that week was
something very special. it
was a tough time for me
personally and that week
was a real tonic. probably
never to be repeated..
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 15:08 PM
The Calgary midges keep on coming back for more.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 15:29 PM
Is there a follow up to the bound of the red deer in the pipeline?

What ever happened to the metronomic duck?

dlp 1.1 or dlp 6?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 16:36 PM
aye the duck was great.
just after eleven she said
is another that should be
revisited. classic.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: franzkafka on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 16:39 PM

and yeah, we miss those little
festivals so much. at the time,
i don’t think we realised how
lucky we were.

Exactly right.   I've been watching celtic connections every night for the last 2 weeks and a lot of it is po faced and serious with dreary songs with poor lyrics.  How privileged we were  to be hearing KC and friends singing and playing songs with great tunes and lyrics - great musicianship and fun,  deep joy in the fundibold. Although he is a total bawbag, of course ;D
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: FilthySwan on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 17:32 PM


dlp 1.1 or dlp 6?

Ooft, like choosing your favourite child.



The first one, naturally.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 17:54 PM
We ended up staying in the hut of the 'secret gig' in the forest at Calgary the following year. No electricity and a fear the roof would vanish in a storm one night, braw. I seem to remember a wasp almost bringing an early end to the Calgary gig.

Even as a late-comer I realised things were heading in a drastically different direction at The Eye o the Dug.

Another Q, how did the collaboration with Paul Heaton on PH's The 8th come about? Is he as nice as guy as he seems to be? What was the story he told Maconie about you?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 18:08 PM
Is there a follow up to the bound of the red deer in the pipeline?

What ever happened to the metronomic duck?

dlp 1.1 or dlp 6?

Alas, getting to Canada, for me, or getting to Scotland for MJ isn’t likely to happen anytime soon, and if some sort of C-19 passport is required, not likely to happen at all. I don’t use computers for music, but never say never!

Metronomic duck is alive and well. On one of his travels he cracked his hat, no euphemism intended, but he can still keep time like an impure quartz crystal.

I don’t know what dlp stands for.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 18:18 PM

Another Q, how did the collaboration with Paul Heaton on PH's The 8th come about? Is he as nice as guy as he seems to be? What was the story he told Maconie about you?

I’m not entirely sure, but Paul Heaton’s band has connections to both the Earlies and the Salford (Arms?) where Giles from the Earlies works. He is an absolute gent, very, very clever, generous and witty. He collects things. He told Stuart Maconie that I earned a living not from music but by translating the works of Shakespeare into Gaelic.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 18:25 PM
“no euphuism intended”?
that’s not like you at all.

i wasn’t aware of the paul
heaton collab - will have to
check it out. he’s been a
favourite of mine for a long
time - some of the music
is pretty shit but he’s a top,
top fella. stu maconie on the
other hand has always struck
me as a bit of a twat.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Lavinia on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 18:28 PM
 I have got to ask

dressed as a witch, pished I sang to Jessie James.   




Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 18:48 PM
Is there a follow up to the bound of the red deer in the pipeline?

What ever happened to the metronomic duck?

dlp 1.1 or dlp 6?

Alas, getting to Canada, for me, or getting to Scotland for MJ isn’t likely to happen anytime soon, and if some sort of C-19 passport is required, not likely to happen at all. I don’t use computers for music, but never say never!

Metronomic duck is alive and well. On one of his travels he cracked his hat, no euphemism intended, but he can still keep time like an impure quartz crystal.

I don’t know what dlp stands for.

dlp = disintegration loop..👍
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 19:31 PM
i always wondered, who
were the twats that pulled
the boot of your car onto
your back at hg7? was it
hg7? i’m not sure. and did
they ever get their comeuppance?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Sunday_Boy on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 20:13 PM
I'd be interested to know whence Phil Jupitus sprung

Even at a stretch I don’t think this can be considered event related. Is it another line from a JY song?

Cassette/calendar-related questions may not strictly be within the rules, but I was just wondering how PJ came to be involved in JAMP
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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 20:59 PM
I have got to ask

dressed as a witch, pished I sang to Jessie James.   

Fancy dress party, Hallowe’en 1996 or 97, Whitehill near Ceres.
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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 21:32 PM
i always wondered, who
were the twats that pulled
the boot of your car onto
your back at hg7? was it
hg7? i’m not sure. and did
they ever get their comeuppance?

I never pressed charges for the culprit turned out to be the landlord of somebody playing in my band at the time, all rather awkward. That was one of a few things that put paid to Homegames, the others being reports that locals had been noising up a few punters in a creepy way, accommodation charges in town were now rated off season/peak season/homegame (in that order), and then there was the timely closure of the Hew Scott Hall for roof repairs. I’m gonnae guess 2011, making it HG8? 2012 was Eye o’ the Dugshite, 2013 the best of us were raising fivers for the AIA in the Rugby Club having refused to take any part in the other local event.

I might be wrong about the year.
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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 21:49 PM
I'd be interested to know whence Phil Jupitus sprung

Even at a stretch I don’t think this can be considered event related. Is it another line from a JY song?

Cassette/calendar-related questions may not strictly be within the rules, but I was just wondering how PJ came to be involved in JAMP

I know, sorry, I was stalling for time and my original answer isn’t as funny now i’m reading it back. I met PJ at the Futtle Bar during one of the Bowhouse markets. Having already met Whisky Stephen and Keny Drew, his fate was sealed, and the dream job of drawing stick men illustrations at a JAMP night became reality. I miss JAMP nights.
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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 22:02 PM



dlp 1.1 or dlp 6?

Ah, Disintegration Loops! Doh. I shall give that one some listening thought.
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Post by: Lando Cakes on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 22:25 PM
On the strength of Frontiers not Used Enough,  I bought a second-hand copy of Frontiers of the Sea. I enjoyed it, so thanks for that. Any more book recommendations to see me through lockdown?
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Post by: Lando Cakes on Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 22:29 PM
Also, what's the story with Concubine Rice? I meant to ask after you made a similar mention in the last Jampzine (?). I like the album and hadn't heard about any problems with the making of it. Though everyone else reading this may have just done a facepalm...
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Post by: kwaing on Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 00:26 AM
On the strength of Frontiers not Used Enough,  I bought a second-hand copy of Frontiers of the Sea. I enjoyed it, so thanks for that. Any more book recommendations to see me through lockdown?

I’m quite liking the most recent book by Robert Harris but it’s been weirdly difficult to concentrate on reading since last March, I prefer cryptic crosswords. Not the Times cryptic though, I don’t understand the clues even when cheating the answers.

Concubine Rice. Well, the fence duo simply got caught in the crossfire between a label and an artist who, to be fair, wasn’t always in the best of health. Grief from all sides - before, during, and after, woes that will ruin the listening experience forever. CR is probably the best record I never listen to. A few of my own records are marred by similar yet entirely different argy bargys, but these albums are not in the same league as CR, alas, and I don’t miss hearing them quite so much.

‘28 Secret Tracks’ and ‘Moses’ I play a lot, and a collection of 8 songs the Pidge made whilst in San Francisco is my favourite of both our albums. I own an old laptop that sometimes bursts into life, and when it does I let the music player run on, I must have over a hundred LP songs in there, always a refreshing listen.



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Post by: kwaing on Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 01:49 AM
The fence duo being Gummi Bako (wearing his Midget Squid attire) and yours truly.
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Post by: Chaffinch on Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 21:38 PM
Hi Kenny - sorry if this has been asked before but what is Jump At The Cats about?

The 13th Note Collective gigs back in the day have particularly personal and special memories for me - remember much about them yourself?

I’ve always had a soft spot for Missing Behind Fence.  Do you have a favourite Fence Sampler and why?
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Post by: ravedamage on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 01:20 AM
Do you like the smell of creosote? I'm a huge fan of all them carcinogenic smells, freshly laid tar especially.

I remember reading about a (potential) Chemical Brothers collaboration with you, back in the 00s...I did ask on the Beef about it way back when, but cannae mind the exact details (13 year ago?). Think you said Ear Against The Wireless ended up being what you made o' that session/situation? Somehing about a lighthouse keeper? It's such a great track. Do you know how they came to be aware of ye? Given the strength of their recorded collabs with Beth Orton, etc., it's a real shame the KC/CB hing never came to fruition.

I do love the Atlantic Conveyor mix of You've No Clue Do You and Tunng's take on 'Twin Tub'...did you request these mixes personally?
Are there any (fantasy) artists/producers you'd love to hae a stab at a KC track/album?

In a similar vein, Magnetophone's 'Man Who Ate The Man' LP is such a belter, how did your collaboration wi' them come about? The HMS G/KC track in particular is just stunning. Shame the whole thing didnae end up on vinyl (though at least a couple of your efforts did).

Harking back to your Union Chapel gig in early 2015, after Demis Roussos died...you talked onstage about the Aphrodite's Child LP (666) that either you had bought that week or someone had bought for ye as a present. I was intrigued enough to buy it later that month and was blown away by it, it's pretty mental in parts. Four Horsemen is the standout for me, a classic I'll cherish from a guy I used to only remember for wearing curtains on Top of the Pops in the 70s, so thanks for that.

Is there anything someone has recommended to you that has flipped your ideas of musicality/musicianship on its heid?

Forever and Ever is such a lovely cover, of many fantastic covers you've done. Are there any covers you would like to do, but feel you wouldnae/couldnae do them justice?

Lastly, as a technician and 'custodian' of culture & heritage for a museum, I cannae but fret for your storage situation up in the Neuk (mainly yer floorboards/load-bearing situation). I have pals in Leith and London who run (or ran) record labels and the amount of vinyl they have squirreled away in cupboards, under beds, etc., gies me the fear...
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 10:40 AM
On the strength of Frontiers not Used Enough,  I bought a second-hand copy of Frontiers of the Sea. I enjoyed it, so thanks for that. Any more book recommendations to see me through lockdown?

Since my first recommendation “second sleep” by Robert Harris I went on to read Charles Bukowski’s “Pulp” in just 2 sittings. Back in the very early nineties, MC Quake used to include Bukowski’s poems in his cassette tape letters and that spurred me on to read “post office”. For some reason I didn’t bother to follow that up, probably due to a lack of funds and/or a valid library card.
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 11:34 AM
Hi Kenny - sorry if this has been asked before but what is Jump At The Cats about?

The 13th Note Collective gigs back in the day have particularly personal and special memories for me - remember much about them yourself?

I’ve always had a soft spot for Missing Behind Fence.  Do you have a favourite Fence Sampler and why?

In 1995 and 1996 the SDO ranks were bolstered by none other than Steve Mackie - it was his band Rancher that I may have included on the Patreon’s mix tape - and you can still hear his fiddle playing on “A New Cat”. He had a light and melodic style. Anyway, at that time he and a few members of his Edinburgh gang used the word ‘cat’ for a certain type of male individual, much like the old jazzers did between the wars.

For some, the rejection worded “I really value your friendship, but I’m saving myself for Mr. Right” can almost in the same breath become “but I’m happy to spend, spend, spend myself with you, Mr. Wrong” when it comes to a certain type of male individual from Edinburgh.

Something like that. I imagine the rest of it to be a list of exaggerated, real or imagined petty grievances, in the language we’d all use to handle a situation like that, um, right?

Those 13th Note gigs were amongst the first outside of St.Andrews for us Aikman’s veterans, and we were bricking it. I still experience an echo of those nerves even now when I park up near Monorail. My memories are not of playing so much as the surprise/shock that folk had actually turned up, no doubt in the hope of seeing Lonepigeon who was unpredictably volatile at best, and then being in some sort of dwam when speaking to all the new smiling faces down the right hand side of the room. We always left buzzing in a mixture of “we might’ve gotten away with that” relief and blaggers’ pride.

A favourite sampler? You can easily hear, I hope, the extra efforts we made when trying to impress a shop, or in the case of sampler 3, a label, but my musical tastes are probably best described as contrary, verging on thrawn, and for me it’s the total clunker “fence go fishing” aka fence sampler 2. Hairy Bob’s Granny Magnet? C’mon you people!
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 12:13 PM
Do you like the smell of creosote? I'm a huge fan of all them carcinogenic smells, freshly laid tar especially.

I love the smell, and my memories of being hauled out of bed on one of those sunny August days towards the end of the summer holidays to help my dad creosote the back fence are the very reason I chose the name. I loathed the job. My dad was rarely home in July or August, owing to summer seasons here, there and wherever, so for a home visit of his to chime with a sunny day, especially if the tide times were nigh on perfect, lucky white heather! Diesel, tar, creosote, spray paint ... a top selling deodorant range right there.

I remember reading about a (potential) Chemical Brothers collaboration with you, back in the 00s...I did ask on the Beef about it way back when, but cannae mind the exact details (13 year ago?). Think you said Ear Against The Wireless ended up being what you made o' that session/situation? Somehing about a lighthouse keeper? It's such a great track. Do you know how they came to be aware of ye? Given the strength of their recorded collabs with Beth Orton, etc., it's a real shame the KC/CB hing never came to fruition.

It’s another case of not what you know but who you know. Kat Simons was to all extents and purposes my manager during the years my star shone brightest, and she had many friends and one ex husband who between them pulled off this stunt. My efforts didn’t cut the mustard, but I was given the chance to redeem myself by singing in a voice more like that of Scott Walker’s? Instead I kept my lyrics and melody for Ear Against The Wireless and gave Scott Walker’s singing voice to an imaginary lighthouse keeper, singing largely to himself I might add.

I do love the Atlantic Conveyor mix of You've No Clue Do You and Tunng's take on 'Twin Tub'...did you request these mixes personally?

The AC mix was engineered by the record label using contacts unknown, but Tunng asked me to drop by their home studio to contribute vocals to their version, something I chose to do whilst inebriated on red wine and cokes. I’d met them at one of Adem’s Homefires I think? Or maybe I supported them elsewhere, cannae mind, and once finished they passed their version along to Billy Campbell, mutual friend, my A&R man and acting manager, unpaid.

Are there any (fantasy) artists/producers you'd love to hae a stab at a KC track/album?

Nils Frahm, Erland Cooper, Olafur Arnalds, Boysen, Villagers, Jon Vangelis ...

*intermission*

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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 13:27 PM

The 13th Note Collective gigs back in the day have particularly personal and special memories for me - remember much about them yourself

I’ve been chewing this over, dismayed that my gig memories in general are all muddled and distorted. The memories from the most recent gig in a venue, or even town, tend to override all those that came before, and i’m thinking that my last visit to the 13th Note was on the Three For The Road tour in 2003, and it was Aidan Smith who aced that one. I remember weird things anyway - lights bouncing off a snare drum, brittle monitors, mic stands that collapse on you, stuff like that. My diaries are in a big box weighing down a wardrobe that wants to fall forwards, and to stop the wardrobe doors opening I’ve run a chest of drawers up against them, which, because of the superior wheel bearings needs a couple of wooden wedges, so a bit of a mission if I want to remind myself of the olden days.

It’s a person’s life alright.
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 14:46 PM

In a similar vein, Magnetophone's 'Man Who Ate The Man' LP is such a belter, how did your collaboration wi' them come about? The HMS G/KC track in particular is just stunning. Shame the whole thing didnae end up on vinyl (though at least a couple of your efforts did).

Geoff from Static Caravan put that collaboration together, and that led to the Walk The Gangplank 7” with Haley Willis’ drummer Jamie at the wheel. Singing with the Magnets was my first stab at the big time, festivals overseas and a’hin’.

Harking back to your Union Chapel gig in early 2015, after Demis Roussos died...you talked onstage about the Aphrodite's Child LP (666) that either you had bought that week or someone had bought for ye as a present. I was intrigued enough to buy it later that month and was blown away by it, it's pretty mental in parts. Four Horsemen is the standout for me, a classic I'll cherish from a guy I used to only remember for wearing curtains on Top of the Pops in the 70s, so thanks for that.

Is there anything someone has recommended to you that has flipped your ideas of musicality/musicianship on its heid?

Spike ‘23’ Sanderson played me ‘Pure Guava’ by Ween in 1991.

Sometimes Amazon recommends something pretty cool, as does the sidebar on YouTube, and thus you can land on music by Max Cooper for example. Reading the David Stubbs book ‘‘Krautrock: the making of modern Germany” (fact check this title) has led me down a few paths I should have discovered for myself when buying Kraftwerk singles. I bought Donna Summer’s “state of independence” from Groucho’s and then realised I had a Jon Vangelis LP with his solo version of said track, I’ve been playing that album a lot.

Forever and Ever is such a lovely cover, of many fantastic covers you've done. Are there any covers you would like to do, but feel you wouldnae/couldnae do them justice?

If you ask the most ardent fans of the originals i’ve covered then I’ve done an injustice to ‘em all! (There’s a longer answer coming, just i’ve already been timed out several times in this thread, so trying to post bite-sized chunks now.)
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 15:02 PM
I really enjoy singing “other side of the world” by Kate Tunstall, “please believe me” by David Gray, “feels like heaven” by Fiction Factory, “keep on loving you” by REO Speedwagon amongst many others, but would I commit them to tape?

I always choose songs that I think stand up for themselves no matter the style, but it’s an easier choice if the style of the original is unattainable - “Vienna” by Ultravox translates well to a warbley acoustic version, although missing out the complicated piano part has in the past made the song unrecognisable - or if it’s a song sung by what us humans born before 2008 were taught to be called a female.

Question: anyone know of a KC cover that betters the original? Actually, DO NOT ANSWER THAT.


Vinyl. I have spread the load over 3 different floors, only 1 of them at ground level mind you.



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Post by: ravedamage on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 16:31 PM
I really enjoy singing “other side of the world” by Kate Tunstall, “please believe me” by David Gray, “feels like heaven” by Fiction Factory, “keep on loving you” by REO Speedwagon amongst many others, but would I commit them to tape?

I always choose songs that I think stand up for themselves no matter the style, but it’s an easier choice if the style of the original is unattainable - “Vienna” by Ultravox translates well to a warbley acoustic version, although missing out the complicated piano part has in the past made the song unrecognisable - or if it’s a song sung by what us humans born before 2008 were taught to be called a female.

Question: anyone know of a KC cover that betters the original? Actually, DO NOT ANSWER THAT.


Vinyl. I have spread the load over 3 different floors, only 1 of them at ground level mind you.

Thanks for this, it's been guid reading your memories. Playing hide and seek around creosoted sheds in Balcurvie was my gateway odour.

Ah, the Jon and Vangelis...I'll Find My Way Home blew me away on TOTP a' those (forty!) years ago and still does.
That Donna Summer cover of State of Independence is sumhing else too.

Can't Fight This Feeling would have to be my MOR kaREOke drug of choice but I'm very partial to some Viennata...never heard your version.
Vic Reeves' flipped that beauty just right. Them Belgians...

FWIW I think your versions of Tortoise Regrets Hare, You Are The Music, Nothing's Gonna Change Your Mind and Cod Liver Oil (the Moonshine Band one, specifically) better the originals. That's jist an opinion, of course  ;)

Ooh, just thought of another wee hing - what do the numbers in your autograph represent?
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 17:52 PM
583KA staff number and initials for all my St.Andrews Woollen Mill bills of sale 1985 - 1999.
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Post by: Lavinia on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 18:26 PM
Just wondering if you ever made those cakes using Ruperts recipe and if so how did they turn out?
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Post by: stephen on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 20:58 PM
Why does the archive on the Hub have so many titles missing?

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Post by: ayjayemm on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 22:54 PM
Was the JOKES album ever recorded? Or was it lost in the Fence Ltd. fallout and following nuclear winter?

 Just asking because I really liked the e.p.

 Also, will the This Band Will Cost You A Grand guitar army ever regroup?

PS The World Tour Of Mull was an ace experience, as was the trip to Skye. I still think Elgol is one of the most stunning locations for a gig ever. Especially with added bonus northern lights!
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 23:05 PM
Just wondering if you ever made those cakes using Ruperts recipe and if so how did they turn out?

An apricot bannock came out the oven with the consistency of that last sliver of soap in the dish, and tasted worse. Rupert’s no Mary Berry.
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 23:07 PM
Why does the archive on the Hub have so many titles missing?

A lot of what we start on our website never seems to get finished. You’re the first ever person to notice our incomplete archive  ;D
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 23:24 PM
Was the JOKES album ever recorded? Or was it lost in the Fence Ltd. fallout and following nuclear winter?

Jo Shornikov went back to the US shortly after we finished the EP, met a man, got married and started a family. I give it 18 more years and she’ll be back.

 Also, will the This Band Will Cost You A Grand guitar army ever regroup?

Under the guise ‘This Band Will Cost You A Gala’ we’ve been booked, then cancelled, booked again and cancelled for the most prestigious of events - Friday night in the beer tent at the St.Andrews Harbour Gala. Since our last shambles in 2018 the bass player got engaged, the other front man started teaching, the drummer took a real job, the keyboard player started boxing and the guitarist was last seen many months ago walking his mum’s dog.

PS The World Tour Of Mull was an ace experience, as was the trip to Skye. I still think Elgol is one of the most stunning locations for a gig ever. Especially with added bonus northern lights!

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Post by: Kate on Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 00:31 AM
I was disappointed to read that Jumping at the Cats referred to men, not actual cats (though it makes more sense obviously). I’m going to stick with my interpretation of the song where naked people jump out from behind sofas etc and surprise cats.

On a similar theme “ tout les chatte a Edinbourg...” Explain yourself please!!?



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Post by: czefski on Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 09:54 AM


PS The World Tour Of Mull was an ace experience, as was the trip to Skye. I still think Elgol is one of the most stunning locations for a gig ever. Especially with added bonus northern lights!

That Elgol gig was an all-timer.

We were staying on the mainland in Duirinsih and decided we would get something to eat when we get to Elgol. The cafe up the hill had a board up stating what they don't provide, soup, sandwiches, cakes, lunch in general, if fact everything other than tea and scones. Given the limited menu we expected the scones to be world class but they were worse that Rupert Apricot Bannock, dry and tasteless. By the time we get to the corner shop its closed for the day, fortunately Ester and Al let us share their snacks and the band let us share the food they were provided with. As we are chatting to Geeko fighter jets flew incredibly low overhead and across the Cullins, it was spectacular.

Highlight of the gig was KC deciding to crowd surf across the laps of the bemused locals, sat politely in rows. I tried to film it but the lighting was too dark for any of it to be used in evidence. After helping pack up we went outside to an incredible display on Northern Lights that were visible all the way back to the mainland.

Another unforgettable experience provided by this thing we do.
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Post by: kwaing on Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 12:09 PM
On a similar theme “ tout les chatte a Edinbourg...” Explain yourself please!!?

Of all the, um, *cats* in Edinburgh?
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Post by: Lando Cakes on Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 20:15 PM
I haven't been to any of the Fence events, which feels like a shame.

However, I did see you at Festival Number 6 in ...  2015 ? What did you make of Portmeirion? Did you stay for the fabulous Grace Jones?

(I enjoyed it so much, I made the mistake of going back the next year, which was a disaster.)
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Post by: kwaing on Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 22:22 PM
I haven't been to any of the Fence events, which feels like a shame.

However, I did see you at Festival Number 6 in ...  2015 ? What did you make of Portmeirion? Did you stay for the fabulous Grace Jones?

(I enjoyed it so much, I made the mistake of going back the next year, which was a disaster.)

I can’t remember why we had to drive off when we did, but the tents were packed and the van engine running when a couple of us snuck off to catch a bit of the Grace Jones set. I did not expect to catch sight of her nip naps! Great hat too.
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Post by: czefski on Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 11:25 AM
I haven't been to any of the Fence events, which feels like a shame.

However, I did see you at Festival Number 6 in ...  2015 ? What did you make of Portmeirion? Did you stay for the fabulous Grace Jones?

(I enjoyed it so much, I made the mistake of going back the next year, which was a disaster.)

I can’t remember why we had to drive off when we did, but the tents were packed and the van engine running when a couple of us snuck off to catch a bit of the Grace Jones set. I did not expect to catch sight of her nip naps! Great hat too.

I saw Grace in Bournemouth in 1990, in the top 3 worst gigs I've ever been to. She seemed to think flashing her nips naps on numerous occasions made up for what appeared to be a total lack of interest/ability in doing the thing people actually paid to see. By halfway through people were shouting for her to put them away.
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Post by: Jackie on Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 13:43 PM
I can't stand Grace Jones.
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Post by: arab on Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 14:37 PM
ever met a musical hero?   if so who and why?

will the anderson trio ever reunite?

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Post by: Lando Cakes on Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 15:47 PM
I like Grace Jones myself. Each to their own etc. At FN6, I thought she was wearing some sort of black and white cat-suit. If was only when I got nearer that I realised it was, in fact, white body paint. It's a difficult look to pull off at the best of times - but in your late 60s? Chapeau!
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Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 18:34 PM
ever met a musical hero?   if so who and why?

will the anderson trio ever reunite?

Heroes from now or from back then? From back then I shall say Lloyd Cole, Richard Jobson, Chris Difford, Ken McCluskey, Bobby Bluebell, Elton John, Paul Heaton, Clare Grogan ... actually, plenty that lil’ ol’ teenage me still can’t get over having met. John Peel. Most of them at gigs or songwriting projects or collaborations though. Do they count?

Een and I are working on the next generation of Andersons. Lou’s got a half an album’s worth already co-written with her pal Lexy, titles like “cacaweedez”, “it’s Autumn”, “Flynn Stole The Glue”, “don’ ya ‘hink?” They just need a drummer.

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Post by: franzkafka on Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 19:12 PM
I saw Grace Jones about 10 years ago in Glasgy at the armadillo, she was very good.  Had a great band and sung powerfully - had half the audience up on the stage dancing with her towards the end. She invited them up to spite the moron bouncers who were getting upset at a couple of people dancing at the front.  I can just imagine them on their walky talkies to central control  "there are people up the front ENJOYING themselves - just going to put a stop to it, send the swat team"

Anyway twas a good night.  I suppose it's a case of good day /bad day at the office.  Just your luck sometimes.  I saw John Martin at the mean Fiddler years ago, kept the crowd waiting about 4 hours, then came on, played half a song and was motioning to a roady and pointing behind a speaker. I thought it was a sound issue, but the roady ran on with a bucket which he put behind the stack, John Martin puked in it and left the stage permanently.  Turned out he'd got seriously pissed on the plane from France and they'd had him on the premises for hours trying to sober him up.   The half minute he played for was great. And as a piece of performance art it was exceptional so I enjoyed it, although my mate was very annoyed.
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Post by: arab on Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 20:32 PM
did you know you were the anagram sam answer on the mark riley show tonight - you  have MADE IT !
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Post by: franzkafka on Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 23:08 PM
what's anagram sam?   who is mark riley?

I'm just a struggling young writer from bohemia, trapped inside someone else's body.  Heplmaboab!
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Post by: franzkafka on Wed, Feb 03, 2021, 23:10 PM
helpmaboab!
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Post by: czefski on Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 08:24 AM
what's anagram sam?   who is mark riley?

I'm just a struggling young writer from bohemia, trapped inside someone else's body.  Heplmaboab!

BBC6 Music DJ and one-time bass player in the Fall. Played on Live From The Witch Trials, got sacked after 3 years which makes him one of the longest tenured members.
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Post by: franzkafka on Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 10:53 AM
Ah MarC Riley!   No wonder I kouldn't make the konnektion.
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Post by: Ronan on Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 21:40 PM
Hi Kwaing

Do you have a favourite song from the Bluebells album Sisters?

What is your favourite non Bluebells song from the year 1984?
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Post by: kwaing on Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 22:41 PM
Hi Kwaing

Do you have a favourite song from the Bluebells album Sisters?

What is your favourite non Bluebells song from the year 1984?

First Bluebells song I heard was “I’m Falling”, still my favourite. If “Two Tribes” hadn’t been played to death, “Two Tribes”.
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Post by: ravedamage on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 01:37 AM
I was just talking to a pal earlier the nicht about the summer of '84, and how Two Tribes was all-conquering...9 weeks at number wan, afore being bested by the Wets and Bryan Adams later...got a favourite mix o' that, if any? I'm all for Annihilation, meself.

And, yer mention of the 'post bag' in another part of the Hub did mak me wonder...what's the best/worst/weirdest hing ye've received in the AETC PO box, o'er the years?
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Post by: arab on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 10:32 AM
If “Two Tribes” hadn’t been played to death, “Two Tribes”.

Two tribes had the best introduction i had ever heard until the Mavis's did Pretty Woman at Aikmans.  Any plans for a brown knitted cardigan reunion?

PS apologies for marc riley mispelling...
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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 12:02 PM

Two tribes had the best introduction i had ever heard until the Mavis's did Pretty Woman at Aikmans.  Any plans for a brown knitted cardigan reunion?


Ah, the Four Mavis ... how ugly would they be now? The Four Boris was to have been the next in sequence, but we fell out with Aikman’s and another great idea fizzled out. By the time we regrouped in Anstruther our ‘contact’ in the charity shop trade had moved on, so no more borrowed outfits for us.

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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 12:49 PM
Two Tribes - got a favourite mix o' that, if any? I'm all for Annihilation, meself.

And, yer mention of the 'post bag' in another part of the Hub did mak me wonder...what's the best/worst/weirdest hing ye've received in the AETC PO box, o'er the years?

The 7” single edit for me I think - as Stuarab rightly says the intro is by far the best bit, and a shorter version brings the start round again that wee bit quicker.

Can I dodge the PO Box question? I wrote a few paragraphs then deleted it all when I realised I was in danger of opening Pandora’s box only to fill it up again.
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Post by: czefski on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 14:05 PM
Two Tribes - got a favourite mix o' that, if any? I'm all for Annihilation, meself.

And, yer mention of the 'post bag' in another part of the Hub did mak me wonder...what's the best/worst/weirdest hing ye've received in the AETC PO box, o'er the years?

The 7” single edit for me I think - as Stuarab rightly says the intro is by far the best bit, and a shorter version brings the start round again that wee bit quicker.

Can I dodge the PO Box question? I wrote a few paragraphs then deleted it all when I realised I was in danger of opening Pandora’s box only to fill it up again.

So I assume you got Dan Withered Hand's use travel pussy that I sent you.

Can't believe all this Two Tribes love, must be a generational thing.
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Post by: Leckers on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 14:52 PM
ah, yir more of a
relax man, chef
ski? ;)


kc - do you have a
favourite album of
your own? if you do,
which one and why?
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Post by: stephen on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 20:32 PM
Sometimes when there's a new version of a song, a lyric changes, not always, but sometimes. What happens to the big books of lyrics? Does it get written out again as a new song? Like for example when Bats in the Attic changed from 'flyers' to 'novels' and 'white flour and sugar' to 'white flour'.
Yours, a pedant.
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Post by: stephen on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 20:35 PM
Also on lyrics, are there any that jar when you sing them?

I'm thinking specifically 'the sun it melts on the horizon' obviously.

Yours, A N Other Pedant.
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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 20:38 PM


kc - do you have a
favourite album of
your own? if you do,
which one and why?

If I may I shall exclude the records made and played on by others, you know, the ones that had money spent on them, for it’s too tricky to separate the music from all that went on around them, and I wouldn’t want to favour some talents over others.

Of the largely solo, home recorded records, for a week or two it is almost always the most recent one that becomes the favourite, and then somewhat deflated I revert to one of a few golden oldies. For a year now it’s been the most recent one ‘‘14 Across, Mexico”. It sounds like KK1J, I think i’ve finally cracked it. Can’t do a thing with it right now though.

Smavulgar wasn’t too shabby, nor Flock Like Vulcans, but the rosette might have to go to Disclaimer? Psalm Clerk? Ach, they all sound the same. That Might Be It, Darling. No, Lino.

Psalm Clerk, for a multitude of reasons - the timing of my 23rd album landing in 2003, 23 tracks, 23 letters ‘king creosote’s psalm clerk’ and a few other hidden 23s, the fact that it broke my DAT player and I lost all the first mixes, not to forget revisiting the album 23 times with an increasingly star studded line up to mark fence turning 23, with 23 sitting down to a meal on Dec.23rd as the grand finale (almost) of my all time favourite year of playing music. All of that  :)


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Post by: Leckers on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 21:12 PM
great choice. i was lucky enough to
get one of the original 23 copies of
psalm clerk which will always be a
treasured possession. and it’s a huge
disappointment of mine that i could
not get to any of those shows.

smavulgar and vulcans are definitely
up there, along with waltzer, radge
weekend...oh let’s not start this again.
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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 21:15 PM
Sometimes when there's a new version of a song, a lyric changes, not always, but sometimes. What happens to the big books of lyrics? Does it get written out again as a new song? Like for example when Bats in the Attic changed from 'flyers' to 'novels' and 'white flour and sugar' to 'white flour'.
Yours, a pedant.

Of the 5 or 6 takes I did for Bats In The Attic there’ll be a couple where I had enough air as fit in the full line, but probably sang it flat. I’m appalled when I listen back to a studio vocal and hear how many ‘f’s there can be at the start of a word like ‘flyer’, so when I go back into the vocal booth I’ll try to think up alternatives.

I’m not precious enough about my songs to bother learning them properly. Some lyrics are written down with the intention that they will get changed as I familiarise myself with just what it is I want to say, in a ‘this’ll have to do for now’ stylee, only I get used to the first draft and don’t bother, or simply forget, until after I’ve recorded it of course when I realise I haven’t been singing the lyrics I wrote down in the first place. I blame it on me being a busker of my own songs.

Do I change the original in the song books? If it was a line written in pencil, probably, and there are a few instances of new lyrics added and dated if I think there’s been a drastic improvement. A lot of the newer changes will have been copied out in the big book I take to live gigs. That time ahead of This Band playing the Marine I got a bit tipsy and left the thing lying on a wine sodden table in the ENH for a few hours. I got it back and have since noticed a few of my lyrics have been altered. “I could be crying my eyes out” for example is now certified PG, or at least a 12.

I see what i’ve unintentionally done there (cue many pages of smutty alternatives to kc lines). On the Astronaut tour the temptation to swap out ‘love life’ for ‘moist flange’ - and YOU KNOW HOW I DETEST THE ‘M’ WORD - became too great. The Young Team ruined a perfectly good heavy knit 🧶 with that new chorus line too.
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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 21:24 PM
Also on lyrics, are there any that jar when you sing them?

I'm thinking specifically 'the sun it melts on the horizon' obviously.

Yours, A N Other Pedant.

Here was me thinking that singing ‘horizon’ in the general shape of the horizon - higher in the middle - would’ve been enough to justify that one.

A few I suppose ... Loathe to admit which ones in the hope that i can still get away with them ...

There are only 4 lines in “you just want” and 25% of those could be improved upon. In my defence a lot of those earlier pre-internet songs were never meant to be heard beyond my two strong listening audience of Scout and Baker Ben.

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Post by: Leckers on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 22:36 PM
first gig?

best gig?

worst gig?

best homegame
set you saw?
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Post by: ayjayemm on Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 23:27 PM

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Psalm Clerk, for a multitude of reasons - the timing of my 23rd album landing in 2003, 23 tracks, 23 letters ‘king creosote’s psalm clerk’ and a few other hidden 23s, the fact that it broke my DAT player and I lost all the first mixes, not to forget revisiting the album 23 times with an increasingly star studded line up to mark fence turning 23, with 23 sitting down to a meal on Dec.23rd as the grand finale (almost) of my all time favourite year of playing music. All of that  :)
[/quote]

As I read this, the time was exactly 23:23. Spooky, n'est pas?

(It has, unfortunately, taken me four minutes to type this out and ruin the effect)
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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 11:02 AM
first gig?

best gig?

worst gig?

best homegame
set you saw?

My first gig as KC might’ve been T in the Park 1997 with Elvis on drums, Jason Brass on violin, Adam Battersby on guitar and Stu Ross (reporter) playing bass. We weren’t booked as KC mind you, probably as SDO or KH, but both those bands had evaporated. A few folks breezed in and out of the tent, and if there hadn’t been a photo taken nobody would remember it.

Best and worst gigs are usually one and the same, there’s nothing quite like a seismic cock & balls up to get those hose hoisted high. KC and t’Earlies at the TDK festival, Kings Cross for example. The sound was so unmanageable we descended into a one or two chord scream fest after only a couple of songs, if only to counter the racket coming from the band at the other end of the warehouse. Billy Campbell came racing over and met our collective fury with a ‘best faaking gig evah, mate!’

Or my solo accordion set at Cheltenham with Dreadzone or some such in the next tent up, who were so loud I had to play my entire set in the key of D and in time with their drums.

The Park Stage inauguration at Glastonbury, 2004?, alongside Adem, was so wind and water swept that my guitar exploded.

So many, but all of them pale in comparison to gigs abroad, like playing at the Pune Festival in India in the blazing sun, temperatures well above 40 degrees, with nothing to drink but warm whisky in front of a crowd made up of about 18 off duty festival staff trying to spread themselves out. They’d put us on before the festival opened its gates.

Or the gig that I played with those 4 electronic wizards OTF and FOUND in Xian where the venue PA was some old Sanyo stacking hi-fi with one of those little silver mics on a very short wire, and not an acoustic guitar to be had for miles around. Melodica and hand claps anyone? No audience to speak of.

I’m struggling to recall a set at HG where I wasn’t behind the mixing desk, on the door, asleep behind the decks, or frantically searching for more electric plug sockets and reverse polarity power adaptors, but the little bit I caught of Seamus Fogarty’s set in the Ship Tavern was sublime.

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Post by: Leckers on Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 15:58 PM
very informative - but tbh
honest i was asking about
gigs you’d paid good money
to go and see rather than
playing at.  :)

and aye seamus in the ship
was pretty special but my
overriding homegame memory
of him was in the wee alcove
upstairs in the smugglers with
about ten of us entranced. me,
the bridge, lone pigeon and half
a dozen others - wonderful.
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Post by: stephen on Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 16:19 PM
Pune also had a couple of very funny points. ;D
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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 18:48 PM
very informative - but tbh
honest i was asking about
gigs you’d paid good money
to go and see rather than
playing at.  :)

First gig (other than one of my dad’s) was probably Big Country at the Caird Hall, Runrig at the Playhouse, Bluebells at Smokies in Arbroath, or the Beat at St.Andrews uni. I’d have to Google those dates.

Best gig Talk Talk at the Playhouse in 1985 or 86. Worst gig probably REM at Murrayfield, one of only 3 stadium gigs - other than my own, of course  ;)

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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 18:54 PM
Pune also had a couple of very funny points. ;D

Certainly did - Tommy fae FOUND put a video up on YouTube a few years back containing a few highlights.
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Post by: Kate on Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 23:23 PM
Interesting that one of your worst gigs was REM at Murrayfield. It was one of my worst too! I’d seen them at the Playhouse in 1989 and they were amazing despite it being the Playhouse. Did anyone see Morrissey in Dundee about 1992? I found him so disappointing. I stopped listening to REM and Morrissey for years after these gigs.
And yet some of my favourite gigs back then were the most unexpected ones!
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Post by: Kate on Sat, Feb 06, 2021, 23:40 PM
The other thing I wanted to say was that I have had a love hate relationship with number 23 for at least 35 years.
I wasn’t going to bore anyone with this until I saw that my previous post shows as having been written at 23:23.
Every night my dad used to arrive home from the pub at exactly 23:23, pished, and ruin my mum and my evening. We used to fantasise over elaborate plans such as paying someone to drive down the street at 100mph at 23:22, or arranging for something massive to fall from the sky in front of the door at 23:23. We never did though...
My body clock is weird though and a few times per week I ask Peter the time, or happen to look at the clock at exactly that time, even if haven’t looked for hours!
We do now live at a number 23, and sometimes I eat 23 blueberries with breakfast  (other prime numbers of blueberries are acceptable).
Sorry for all this waffling! I think I’d better go and listen to Psalm Clerk!
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Post by: ravedamage on Sun, Feb 07, 2021, 00:30 AM
That's really interesting (and sad) Kate...I had a similar experience as a 10/11 year auld, growing up. I soon * realised * that if my Dad wasnae hame by a certain hour that he'd be in the pub, and gubbed, so I used to ring the bar an hour or so afore 'that time' and ask him to come hame. Mad.

Was gutted to miss REM on the 1989 Green tour, and never ever caught them live alas (though I wasnae bothered after Monster came oot, it has to be said).

Biggest highlight of '89 for 18 year auld me was Transvision Vamp at the Barrowlands, mighty stuff!

Talk Talk at the Playhoose sounds amazing, my first gig there was Belinda Carlisle in '88.

Not really related, just wondered what your favourite bit of (electronic) kit is KC?
And yer favourite synth...?

Was always partial to my Jen SX1000, a very contrary and analogue box of wires and keys, how I miss her. Sadly selt on noo.
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Post by: changing stations on Sun, Feb 07, 2021, 10:14 AM
Is there the remotest possibility that Sea Glass will ever get a vinyl release.

Asking for a friend*










*This may not be strictly true!
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Post by: czefski on Sun, Feb 07, 2021, 11:26 AM
very informative - but tbh
honest i was asking about
gigs you’d paid good money
to go and see rather than
playing at.  :)

First gig (other than one of my dad’s) was probably Big Country at the Caird Hall, Runrig at the Playhouse, Bluebells at Smokies in Arbroath, or the Beat at St.Andrews uni. I’d have to Google those dates.

Best gig Talk Talk at the Playhouse in 1985 or 86. Worst gig probably REM at Murrayfield, one of only 3 stadium gigs - other than my own, of course  ;)

Bluebells was at The Windmill in Arbroath and will be the first time we were in the same room at the same time. My mate Gary 'promoted' the gig and they stayed at his. I think his toilet got broken fortunately it happened on National Toilet Swap Day.
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Post by: kwaing on Sun, Feb 07, 2021, 18:11 PM

Not really related, just wondered what your favourite bit of (electronic) kit is KC?
And yer favourite synth...?


One and the same having spent the past 4 months patching up Eurorack modules 8)
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Post by: kwaing on Sun, Feb 07, 2021, 18:23 PM
Is there the remotest possibility that Sea Glass will ever get a vinyl release.


I won’t be pressing up more vinyl anytime soon, and there are several newer albums at the front end of the vinyl queue if and when I have the cash. I had a look at the track listing this afternoon and with over half of the songs re-recorded for other labels, and published, it makes Sea Glass one of the least likely of the back catalogue titles to get the wax treatment. Too complicated, too costly. Sorry!

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Post by: changing stations on Sun, Feb 07, 2021, 21:26 PM
Is there the remotest possibility that Sea Glass will ever get a vinyl release.


I won’t be pressing up more vinyl anytime soon, and there are several newer albums at the front end of the vinyl queue if and when I have the cash. I had a look at the track listing this afternoon and with over half of the songs re-recorded for other labels, and published, it makes Sea Glass one of the least likely of the back catalogue titles to get the wax treatment. Too complicated, too costly. Sorry!
Cheers

Ach well, guess I'll  just have to wait until single album vinyl making machines are invented and drop to an affordable price.

Better put my CD copy safely under lock and key in the meantime.
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Post by: Leckers on Sun, Feb 07, 2021, 22:05 PM
that is a shame.
though there are
so many kc titles
needing the vinyl
treatment. out of
interest, what titles
are next in line?
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Post by: FilthySwan on Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 14:46 PM
What’s with the number 23? It’s maybe been explained before and I’ve just forgotten I’ve read it or forgotten to send the SAE to receive the literature explaining it. I’ve kind of just assumed it was similar to the KLF and illuminati ideology but I’m probably I’m wrong.

How do you generally write songs? Words or music first? Bit of both?

What’s the best song you’ve ever written in your opinion? (Did somebody already ask that? If so, then what’s the best font you’ve written a song in?)

What’s the chords to Saw Circular Prowess? I’m cloth eared like that.

Is there a Domino album in the offing? If so what’s your vision, plans or hopes for how it might sound?

Have you ever considered doing some KC album retrospective podcasts? I like listening to stuff like that when I’m running. I run a lot and there’s a lot of albums. That’d work quite nicely for me although you’d need a better calibre of interviewer than myself. If the above questions are anything to go by folk might be bored by Rain Weekend.

In the words of Chic Young to Brian Laudrup; why are you so good?
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Post by: Leckers on Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 15:13 PM
what’s the story behind the st
andrews citizens disc east neukie?
been a long time favourite of
mine and wondered why it’s
not a kc title? who are all the
players? and what’s the story
behind the alien transmissions.
love the bill hicks sample and
there might well be a wee hint
of dr baker hidden in there too.
love surf stratos, dan mo and
be my guest. who is doing all
the blethering and interview
questions on the hidden track?
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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 16:29 PM

Ach well, guess I'll  just have to wait until single album vinyl making machines are invented and drop to an affordable price.


Like most of us i’m sure i’ve been having a fair few internal dialogues between me, myself and I, and one of the subjects is intended to be a follow up post listing a few changes and acquisitions that could make pressing up vinyl more likely and affordable. The buying of a vinyl press is one of the latter.

I’ve started so I’ll finish. In no particular order:-

1. If online retailers like EBay and Discogs could implement a siphoning off of second hand sales transactions and pay the creator of the art a worthwhile percentage, then I’d be a lot more likely to sell multiple copies of, say, Lino, to those I know to be hiking up the price to sell on again. This would clear the ton(s) of vinyl in store and release the funds to make more titles. In the art world a percentage of each onward sale of a painting for example goes back to the artist, assuming a reputable gallery or auction made the sale.

2. If MCPS stopped charging their percentage on the amount of copies made, and instead charged on the number of copies sold, this would do two things. The first is reduce one of the fixed costs in pressing up vinyl, and thereby introduce an incentive to perhaps press a few copies more, 500 instead of 300. The second would remove the MCPS’ offer of a refund on copies not sold - this refund is why record labels invite a rep from MCPS to witness their destruction of countless records rather than those records being given over to the artists to sell. Landfill over much needed album revenue. Once these unsold records are destroyed it only benefits those who sell second hand. MCPS exists to make sure record companies pay up something to publishers and copyright owners sure, and they probably worked out where labels might cheat on sales, but maybe there’s a halfway house.

3. The U.K. could reopen its own pressing plant. With all records being pressed up in the Czech Republic, there are only going to be price hikes for shipping, and delays. Alas, a record pressing plant is a move in the opposite direction on the colour wheel from going green, so this might unwittingly hasten the demise of my old diesel Audi and wood burning stove. Hmmm.

4. Crail could reopen its post office and encourage mail order firms to open up their online shops.

5. Distribution companies charge not only a % on sales but warehouse rental space too, and if you dare to supply record shops other than Monorail directly you’re going to have to endure months of “stock taking” excuses before you get your money - if indeed you do get your money. Whisky Stephen is an authority on these evasion tactics by record shops.

6. Venues could universally stop charging hefty commissions, and labels could adopt a one price per item strategy no matter how many copies are ordered and by whom, and this allows bands to compete price wise selling their own records at their own gigs.

7. Relying purely on internet sales isn’t a solution unless you are willing to sell worldwide and spend a lot of time and money keeping the algorithms working in your favour, or pay for analogue advertising in each and every territory.

All of these suggestions are of no use without gigs, however. Without touring very few in the KC fan base would even become aware that there might be a new record to listen to for free online  ;)


Of course I could be wrong.

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Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 16:46 PM
out of interest, what titles are next in line?

Despite everything Triassic Tusk is still quite keen on the final instalment in chapter 1 of BuoyGull, which is great for chapter 2 is primed to start soon. The song is Pibroch, the format 10” or 12” vinyl I hope.

Although KY10 is still floating about in the actual Doldrums, the next chapters are on their way, but the voyage ahead is long.

Far off into the future there might come a time when I start to miss all the vinyl I used to have bearing down on three separate floors, and this is when I shall no doubt have all but forgotten the few kc titles I have ready to roll right now. The music i’m most enjoying making has a dearth of songs to sing, and this might be problematic when it comes to selling records to those who prefer songs as sung by kc.

Or a welcome change for those who prefer Peter Rabbit Tea over all else  :)

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Post by: kwaing on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 08:18 AM
What’s with the number 23?
How do you generally write songs? Words or music first? Bit of both?
What’s the best song you’ve ever written in your opinion? (Did somebody already ask that? If so, then what’s the best font you’ve written a song in?)
What’s the chords to Saw Circular Prowess? I’m cloth eared like that.
Is there a Domino album in the offing? If so what’s your vision, plans or hopes for how it might sound?
Have you ever considered doing some KC album retrospective podcasts?
In the words of Chic Young to Brian Laudrup; why are you so good?

The number 23. When we moved into the gate lodge on Teasses Estate in 1991, in the Gardener’s Cottage there lived a chap called Spike who collected 23s. I hadn’t encountered a number collection before, and we appropriated Spike’s 23 Collection for an album title not fully appreciating all the weirdness that seems to surround the number 23. For me the number 23 comes with a ‘chaos’ warning.

Songs. Very few of my songs arrive words and melody at the same time. PH6.5 wrote itself as I was walking along the coastal path so I kept singing it until I got home to write it down, likewise Little Heart arrived complete when out cycling. The latter was easier because I had the JY line ‘’how could I” as an earworm. Nothing added, nothing taken away. A lot of my song lyrics are the exact way they came off the top of my head, but now and again I have to really chisel away at them.

Others need more work. I’ve started writing every day (again), not lyrics so much as rambling thoughts on various subjects, but most of it wouldn’t need too much of a tweak to give it a song structure. Not surprising really given how many songs i’ve written, but quite alarming how terrible these songs would be. By April I hope to start penning something half decent at least once a week.

Now and then I have to sit down with the guitar to try and learn a song, or remind myself of a song (the other day I sat and played Running On Fumes, This Flaw That Flaw) but quickly got bored and started mucking about with different chords. At this point I might la la la a melody, and if I come up with something interesting that’s when all my ‘lyric’ books come in handy. I might be sitting with an accordion trying to keep certain tunes up to speed, even more boring, when instead I start droning chords, la la la a melody, etc.

Since October I have filled 8 and a half C90 cassettes with modular synth meandering noise, most of it tuneful but utterly directionless, so if my writing does pick up by April I’ll be looking to put the two together.

Like everything in life, the more you do it - write and sing - the easier it becomes.

I only ever write in my own handwriting. In 2001 or 2002 I heard a cassette full of HMS Ginafore songs - I say heard, but it is easier to hear the general kitchen banter and clattering going on around her. As Summer Stirred stood out, less so a few others, but when I heard And The Racket They Made I was floored. Not a single line wasted, absolutely to the point, and worse it reads like a poem. I cannot abide the reading of poetry. I realised then that way too many of my songs, but not all, were ruined by having too many lines and verses in order to make songs in the accepted styles. Choruses? Pah!

This spurred me on to write Circle My Demise, maybe as close to Racket as I’ll get in terms of making every line count, and in doing so getting to say much more than at first glance. I can’t quite bring myself to say it though ... pure poe-gagg-try. There’s None Of That is pretty neat, At The WAL still makes me smile, as does the follow up Blue Marbled Elm Trees.

Which brings me to the Domino album. The first two completed songs are up on YouTube, Susie and Walter, and two more were submitted in October called Blue Marbled Elm Trees and Dust. Des Lawson is at the helm, and although we can’t assemble the band or anything like that, he does have some band recordings from 2018 to work with plus a whole load of nonsense that came off of my digital recorder. I bought, then stood on, a Tascam 24 track which works alright again having been to the Reuben Taylor hospital. When it was allowed I spent a couple of days last year in Blantyre redoing vocals, and Des has been sending WAV files to the Young Team on Mull, to OTF in Larbert, to Lomond in Achaphubuil, and he will be sending yet more WAVs to others at some point in the future. Bit of a jigsaw puzzle this time. Next up is a piano led song as written by Des and I, and a reworked version of a song on KK1J that I haven’t a title for.

The plan is to carry on submitting songs 2 at a time without reaching the finishing line whilst gigs are off.

I’ve never listened to a podcast, never been drawn to them. I use headphones only when I absolutely have to now, and I don’t run. Well, I rarely do, but it’s usually a 1am sprint right down the very centre of the High Street. Not sure why I keep doing that, but I suppose it is downhill from the Beehive to the East Neuk.

I took more than 15 years to find my voice. I got hooked on songwriting and recording aged 19, but in my first band was content to stand at the back playing bass and only chipped in with the odd backing vocal here and there. Next up the busking band, 4 of us singing, and then reluctantly I was pushed forward to become lead. The SDO was such a good band, and so distinctive, that I was happy for my songs and voice to be carried along hell for leather. Early kc was recordings only, and the thought of going out to play with no band was hideous, but without an audience to factor in I became more courageous in my songwriting. 

Sometime around 1996 my brother Gordon asked why I didn’t sing with my own voice, and it took several more years to realise that indeed I hadn’t been, not on albums anyway. Since 2005 i’ve grown more confident in singing, and therefore more confident in singing my words, enjoying it much more, and I hope there’s been a steady improvement over what came before. I sing at my best when playing live, but only after i’ve managed to blank out an audience and lose all self consciousness, allow my voice to become everything, a bit like when bad toothache or earache takes over your entire being. Something like that. And after that happens I usually become acutely self aware again and start goofing around. Singing in a studio might be better for getting the notes, words and phrasing right, but it rarely goes to the next level up. Karine and I sang Since We’ve Fallen Out at the same time, different vocal booths, but we sort of spooked ourselves and never once spoke about who each of us were directing the words at. More recently it’s been Hannah who strengthens my recorded vocals, and her contributions to these new songs of ours are spine tinglingly good.

The Astronaut tour in January 2017, the end of the 23 run and then the most recent FSWLs were probably about as good as it’s going to get for live performances from me now.

(Saw Circular is easy enough once you get the capo position right, so i’ll check that before writing you the chords.)
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Post by: kwaing on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 08:44 AM
what’s the story behind the st
andrews citizens disc east neukie?
been a long time favourite of
mine and wondered why it’s
not a kc title? who are all the
players? and what’s the story
behind the alien transmissions.
love the bill hicks sample and
there might well be a wee hint
of dr baker hidden in there too.
love surf stratos, dan mo and
be my guest. who is doing all
the blethering and interview
questions on the hidden track?

We formed the Citizens from the gang that used to hang out in the fence shop. The Bosnians, Wearie, Cheehi, Colin Clogs, Gummi, The Dark Lord, Billy Pilgrim RIP and myself. No song had more than 2 chords and we were out playing them live in Aikman’s long before we could even play one chord between us all, but that didn’t matter because the songs were secondary to the various props, games, outfits and general pantomime of it all.

To get us through the long student holidays I brought some recording gear into the shop, we got our CDR production line going, and BPRIP began bringing in some weird and wonderful instruments he’d find in the charity shops. I can’t remember the names of the electronic gadgets he bought, but he’d use them to play short musical pieces, and together we put together the Aliens set. I had a feeling that all of this would be very transient and suggested we make a recording of the Citizens’ songs, picking out those of the band who could actually play, and then we thought it would be funny to use that Alien effect on our voices to halt the album midway and shoehorn in the Alien Transmissions.

Dan Mo is the name of a Vietnamese (I think) wooden xylophone, and you’ll hear it on Dan Mo.

Colin Clogs plays sax and piano. Without letting him hear the tracks beforehand we recorded his piano ideas, he must’ve just bought Champion Versions and let it slip. Since Steve Mason is on record as saying the Citizens were the best band he’d ever heard, we reckoned he wouldn’t ever hear it anyway.

Buzz interviewed the audience after we’d coaxed them into singing along with us for the Be My Guest intro, and this was my attempt to capture some of the characters that brought additional mayhem to a night’s proceedings. Hard to fully describe a St.Andrews Citizens gig, especially after one of those blue cocktails of Natalie’s. There are a few here on the Hub who could help though, Scout maybe.

The Dingley Dell, Wearie-in-a-box, The Scientists, The 69 Girl, The Mars Bar Game, Cutting The Arse Out Of Our Jeans, Scalextric, Record Breakers, All That Percussion, The Year Of February, Japanese Hand Claps ... happy days.
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Post by: FilthySwan on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 10:54 AM

Thanks for the reply, I loved reading all of that.
On podcasts I’ve never much bothered with them plus everyone and their dug seems to have one. However I do a lot of running to a target HR I shouldn’t go above (very boring) and I found listening to music wasn’t helping as every time a banger of a tune came on my HR went mental. I tried running to ambient drone music which I love however the two things aren’t a great fit. So I tried podcasts, I’ve only ever listened to 3 but the music type ones appeal to the geek in me and I’d love to hear KC versions. I guess they’re not all that different to an in depth interview sometimes with live performances thrown in.

Sodajerker podcast is the songwriting one I listen to, the guys annoy me a little in how slick and forced it sometimes sounds but it’s quite interesting.
Adam Buxton is one of the original podcasters I think, his guests tend to be all kinds of people but I do tend to just listen to the music folk ones.
Gossipmongers is completely different but some of the stories of “local gossip” that folk send in have me in tears of laughter at times. Which must be an interesting juxtaposition when I’m puffing and peching.

No idea why I’ve shared my listening habits but there ye go.
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Post by: Leckers on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 14:32 PM
really enjoying these rambling
explanations into the windmills
of your mind. the citizens gigs
sound like an amazing time. such
a great wee record.

can i ask: when you say spike
collected 23s, what exactly did
that entail?
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Post by: Sunday_Boy on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 18:10 PM
can i ask: when you say spike
collected 23s, what exactly did
that entail?

KLF and Psychic TV records? Michael Jordan shirts? Chromosomes?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/23-fascinating-facts-about-number-twenty-three-6262624.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/23-fascinating-facts-about-number-twenty-three-6262624.html)
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Post by: kwaing on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 18:34 PM
can i ask: when you say spike
collected 23s, what exactly did
that entail?

Many objects bearing the number 23 ... as well as a few very elaborately designed 23s ... but he didn’t have one of these:-

https://ck-modelcars.de/en/carrera-1-32-digital-132-slotcar-porsche-917k-no23-winner-24h-lemans-1970-20030833/p-63499/?cur=gbp&ref=gm&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_ZXZuLfd7gIV-IFQBh2X5AThEAQYBCABEgK7FvD_BwE
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Post by: kwaing on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 18:37 PM
24h Le Mans 1970? There’s another one right there.
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Post by: kwaing on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 18:48 PM
1967.
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Post by: Jackie on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 21:02 PM
Do you miss playing live gigs?
I'm guessing not half as much as we all miss hearing them!
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Kate on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 21:37 PM
can i ask: when you say spike
collected 23s, what exactly did
that entail?

KLF and Psychic TV records? Michael Jordan shirts? Chromosomes?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/23-fascinating-facts-about-number-twenty-three-6262624.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/23-fascinating-facts-about-number-twenty-three-6262624.html)

I’ve just read all that 23 stuff and I’d no idea it even existed (apart from the KLF). I thought it was just me being weird!
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Post by: Sunday_Boy on Tue, Feb 09, 2021, 22:05 PM
I took more than 15 years to find my voice. I got hooked on songwriting and recording aged 19, but in my first band was content to stand at the back playing bass and only chipped in with the odd backing vocal here and there. Next up the busking band, 4 of us singing, and then reluctantly I was pushed forward to become lead. The SDO was such a good band, and so distinctive, that I was happy for my songs and voice to be carried along he’ll for leather. Early kc was recordings only, and the thought of going out to play with no band was hideous, but without an audience to factor in I became more courageous in my songwriting. 

Sometime around 1996 my brother Gordon asked why I didn’t sing with my own voice, and it took several more years to realise that indeed I hadn’t been, not on albums anyway. Since 2005 i’ve grown more confident in singing, and therefore more confident in singing my words, enjoying it much more, and I hope there’s been a steady improvement over what came before. I sing at my best when playing live, but only after i’ve managed to blank out an audience and lose all self consciousness, allow my voice to become everything, a bit like when bad toothache or earache takes over your entire being. Something like that. And after that happens I usually become acutely self aware again and start goofing around. Singing in a studio might be better for getting the notes, words and phrasing right, but it rarely goes to the next level up. Karine and I sang Since We’ve Fallen Out at the same time, different vocal booths, but we sort of spooked ourselves and never once spoke about who each of us were directing the words at. More recently it’s been Hannah who strengthens my recorded vocals, and her contributions to these new songs of ours are spine tinglingly good.

Love this answer! It is striking how your singing has changed over time and, while the older recordings are wonderful too, there does seem to be a step change in the mid-noughties, and an increasing strike rate of spine tingling vocals ever since. Alongside the modular synths, let's hope the experiments with words and voice also continue.
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Post by: whiskeypriest on Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 04:53 AM
It is a joy to read these questions and answers.  I've learned, and laughed, a lot.

The other night, I listened to Doubles Underneath and had two questions:

1. Which Paul Simon song?
2. What is the rarest album in the early 80s vinyl collection?

And, here are two unrelated questions:

1. What is your most beloved musical instrument?
2. Is it in the realm of possibility that you will ever release more Squeezebox sets?

Oh, I thought of one more. How much does a vinyl press cost?
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Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 10:43 AM
Do you miss playing live gigs?
I'm guessing not half as much as we all miss hearing them!

Not yet, no  :)

After my ‘year out’ in 2017 I was already less than enthusiastic about a return to the frazzled old life that I much needed to take a year out from, but at least i’d kept my pencil sharpened, as it were. It took me years to gain confidence and overcome gig nerves, but early on I really did enjoy the novelty of travelling and the upheavals of being away from home.

If and when they sound the all clear I’d much rather stay home, and my pencil has never been more blunt. The ENH, when it reopens, won’t be putting on live music, but i’m on the radar of a new community group who’ve just taken on the big, church-like Memorial Hall on the St.Andrews Road.

My dad used to make me, as a 7 year old sick with nerves, stand and play the accordion for my sister to dance to in this very hall. I can see history repeating itself a full half century later (if my sister is allowed to leave Australia).

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 13:05 PM

The other night, I listened to Doubles Underneath and had two questions:

1. Which Paul Simon song?

Radio 1 and FM stations - Call Me Al
Daytime Radio 2 - Call Me Al, Boy In The Bubble?
Night time Radio 2, Radio 4 - Me And Julio now and again, rarely Slip Slidin’ Away.

2. What is the rarest album in the early 80s vinyl collection?

Blimey, I have no idea. I’ve never used the internet to buy, or sell, second hand records, and I’ve never gone looking for particular second hand album titles. I know that Paul Young’s No Parlez is anything but rare, it seems to be a fixture in every charity shop.
I started hoovering up 80s 7” singles when at a loose end in Mossley and found a second hand emporium at the bottom of the hill selling 12 singles for a pound! 300 right there. Despite buying loads more since, there was one I found in Grouchos that I had all but given up on - Souvenir by OMD.


And, here are two unrelated questions:

1. What is your most beloved musical instrument?

Bugari accordion.

2. Is it in the realm of possibility that you will ever release more Squeezebox sets?

It’s more likely i’ll release the titles individually for I can’t get the materials now, and posting out large heavy boxes full of screw nails is problematic at the post van. But you never know - my dad’s having a clear out, he might ask “are these wooden boxes any good to you? You’d fit 5 CDs in them.” OTF struck gold when he scored all those wooden drawers for his 10x10 series, so it can happen.

Oh, I thought of one more. How much does a vinyl press cost?

Thousands. I heard of one costing hundreds that needed a complicated digital pitch shifting of the masters so that the vinyl it cut at the wrong speed sounded right on U.K. record players. A very expensive bespoke transformer sorted it out in the end. And then there’s the accompanying mess of course.

I’m stupid enough to try it though  :)
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Post by: Leckers on Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 13:44 PM
speaking of wooden boxes i saw
you had a lovely wee box for the
picket fence sets on a video about
fence back in the day. were they
ever available or was it made just
for your own collection? i dinnae
of mind them at all.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 19:07 PM
Yes there were boxes for picket fence sets A and B. There would’ve been an overly complicated way of getting one, something to do with signing up for all 12 or something? The artist formerly known as Pip Dylan made some but all 12 titles didn’t fit inside for he measured the depth of 12 wallets WITHOUT CDRs in them. These boxes became the homes for fence firsts. Was it a fence firsts box you spied?

Today I worked on OOTWINS tapes that were a real treat to assemble, proving you never really learn.
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Post by: Jackie on Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 19:31 PM
Thanks for the reply. We were very lucky to be around for so much of your 'year out' 😃 Working in the gardens at Kellie and all those gigs at the ENH made it a really special time, not to be forgotten.
Totally get why you want to stay near home. Fingers crossed for the Memorial Hall when it's safe to do so.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 20:02 PM
Yes there were boxes for picket fence sets A and B. There would’ve been an overly complicated way of getting one, something to do with signing up for all 12 or something? The artist formerly known as Pip Dylan made some but all 12 titles didn’t fit inside for he measured the depth of 12 wallets WITHOUT CDRs in them. These boxes became the homes for fence firsts. Was it a fence firsts box you spied?

Today I worked on OOTWINS tapes that were a real treat to assemble, proving you never really learn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcp8jngAxBk

here’s where i saw the boxes - at
around 6:50 mark. i indeed signed
up for the picket series at the time
and got the 13th disc, but cannae
mind of the boxes. shame. really
looking forward to the ootwins tape.
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Post by: whiskeypriest on Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 20:03 PM

Oh, I thought of one more. How much does a vinyl press cost?

Thousands. I heard of one costing hundreds that needed a complicated digital pitch shifting of the masters so that the vinyl it cut at the wrong speed sounded right on U.K. record players. A very expensive bespoke transformer sorted it out in the end. And then there’s the accompanying mess of course.

I’m stupid enough to try it though  :)

Thank you for your thoughtful answers to my questions.  I found this online.  It looks a bit time consuming, but maybe not for a few of something special, or  a very limited release. And it's fairly cheap.  I imagine a few of us wouldn't mind contributing toward such a purchase, as a way of saying thank you for all of the music.

Here is a link to the Phonocut page:

https://phonocut.com/products/phonocut
 (https://phonocut.com/products/phonocut)

Even though my job is in tech, I have no idea how to attach a photo to a post. I'm surprised I figured out how to hyperlink.
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Post by: baldpar on Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 20:39 PM
This thread has been fascinating. Have you ever thought about writing a book like Vic and JY have done?
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Post by: kwaing on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 00:23 AM
This thread has been fascinating. Have you ever thought about writing a book like Vic and JY have done?

A few years back a writer friend did manage to get a publisher on board for a book that would tell the kc/fence story through my songs, in a style not unlike the sleeve notes for the That Might Well Be It, Darling EPs, with pages from my songbooks to liven it up a bit. Hundreds of hours of interviews, then a lot of work for a very niche market. The thought of me doing it myself is daunting to say the least.
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Post by: ravedamage on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 00:39 AM
This thread has been fascinating. Have you ever thought about writing a book like Vic and JY have done?

A few years back a writer friend did manage to get a publisher on board for a book that would tell the kc/fence story through my songs, in a style not unlike the sleeve notes for the That Might Well Be It, Darling EPs, with pages from my songbooks to liven it up a bit. Hundreds of hours of interviews, then a lot of work for a very niche market. The thought of me doing it myself is daunting to say the least.

This thread has been such a great read, agreed!

Would love to hear your memoirs, if ever that were tae happen, but appreciate the niche und daunt involved.
A bit of Ctrl C & Ctrl X from your many zines might suffice for us Hubbers, mebbe no a publisher, alas.

Wanted to ask about yer favourite visual artists...going by your artwork o'er the years, I could hazard a guess at at least one (I reckon).

He also dallied in the sonics, way back in the 30s...his first initial chimes wi' yours too...and he also liked to build hings.

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Post by: franzkafka on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 11:58 AM
"He also dallied in the sonics, way back in the 30s...his first initial chimes wi' yours too...and he also liked to build hings".


I love a quiz.  Is it Kandinsky, nah?  Second initial?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: franzkafka on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 12:04 PM
KC:   "I started hoovering up 80s 7” singles when at a loose end in Mossley and found a second hand emporium at the bottom of the hill selling 12 singles for a pound! 300 right there"

remember you played them in the ENH one hogmanay a few years back? - went down a treat, then stephen came on after midnight with his altogether more serious brazilian club music, so we got a few complaints from the older bunch - ye ken fit crailers is like!  (The young crowd liked it though)  ;D

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Post by: ravedamage on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 12:36 PM
"He also dallied in the sonics, way back in the 30s...his first initial chimes wi' yours too...and he also liked to build hings".


I love a quiz.  Is it Kandinsky, nah?  Second initial?

Their second initial is an S...

Here's a picture clue:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_3uoBqLbwFDIw_LekyK__X9W-JmqJvgzaWZebjMa2p1w8Q78CkdD2uMyk-tQFgXA4VGQGT3KvHZ4___hYk3c6R8LQKW-oMEStJZlHxQ_Y1O5-2w77ObfLe7yORoVhRpWu7ad)

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Post by: franzkafka on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 12:59 PM
I recognise that one.  Its Kurt Schwitters!   Prize?
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Post by: kwaing on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 13:50 PM
I’ve never heard of the man. Are we allowed to use ‘man’ to describe a man?

When it comes to visual art I need to be led by the hand. If I find something I like at, say, Pittenweem Arts Festival, the news is usually met with “I knew you’d like that one - it’s hideous!”

Kurt Schwitters could well have inspired my brother, for on the eve of his departure from a year long exchange in Provence doing no art whatsoever he kicked over a trash can and varnished everything that fell out onto the pages of an old accounting ledger that was lying amongst the mess. On his return to Edinburgh Art College, 48 of those pages soon ended up on display in the National Gallery Of Scotland on Princes Street.
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Post by: arab on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 14:47 PM
Yes there were boxes for picket fence sets A and B. There would’ve been an overly complicated way of getting one, something to do with signing up for all 12 or something? The artist formerly known as Pip Dylan made some but all 12 titles didn’t fit inside for he measured the depth of 12 wallets WITHOUT CDRs in them. These boxes became the homes for fence firsts. Was it a fence firsts box you spied?

Today I worked on OOTWINS tapes that were a real treat to assemble, proving you never really learn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcp8jngAxBk

here’s where i saw the boxes - at
around 6:50 mark. i indeed signed
up for the picket series at the time
and got the 13th disc, but cannae
mind of the boxes. shame. really
looking forward to the ootwins tape.

leckers if i makes you feel any better i got one of them boxes " The StuArab A Box 1/1"   labelled on the bottom.    i can send you a pic
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Post by: arab on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 14:55 PM
i have an album called "almost 9" which was a half burnt cdr - is that, should that, have been "i am 9 " which i don't think i have a copy of.

tracks include
"stalking the fathoms" (famous - never could read your writing  :) )
"dark tenner"
"rise"
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: ravedamage on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 16:50 PM
I recognise that one.  Its Kurt Schwitters!   Prize?

DM your address and I'll squeeze something out of the artbox for ye.

I’ve never heard of the man. Are we allowed to use ‘man’ to describe a man?

No sure, but these days you get arrested just for saying you're English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkCBhKs4faI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkCBhKs4faI)

When it comes to visual art I need to be led by the hand. If I find something I like at, say, Pittenweem Arts Festival, the news is usually met with “I knew you’d like that one - it’s hideous!”

Kurt Schwitters could well have inspired my brother, for on the eve of his departure from a year long exchange in Provence doing no art whatsoever he kicked over a trash can and varnished everything that fell out onto the pages of an old accounting ledger that was lying amongst the mess. On his return to Edinburgh Art College, 48 of those pages soon ended up on display in the National Gallery Of Scotland on Princes Street.

Hah, brilliant...sounds like a great (simple) idea and one that certain types tend to mimp about - "anyone/I could do that (etc., etc)"...used to love talking about art in DCA galleries years ago, was a real challenge trying to get the older folks on board with contemporary stuff (and not just dismiss it all totally out of hand/think the artists were taking the piss by repeated mark-making etc).

Comparing one lady's blouse to the abstract German paintings we had on the wall worked once: "...so what made you pick that blouse?
Oh, I just liked the [repetitive abstract] pattern". Guid times.

Think you might like Joseph Cornell, if ye arenae aware of him. Always loved Schwitters' collages and Robert Rauschenberg's (messier) mixed media and printmaking approach more though. Here's a couple of his:

Octave

(https://d32dm0rphc51dk.cloudfront.net/H48p30jO6Nx5H6UPkS7bkA/large.jpg)

First Landing Jump

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fc/73/e5/fc73e582681386ef1d473999472018db.jpg)




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Post by: ayjayemm on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 17:06 PM
There have been some absolutely belting KC cover versions over the years.

  Particularly memorable ones include Michelle Shocked's 'When I Grow Up', The entire secret shack gig on the WTOM, Hamish Imlach's mighty 'Cod Liver Oil', Demis' 'Forever And Ever', many of the beauts recorded for the "Lez 80's" album that you kindly gave us a sneaky listen to in An Tobar many moons ago, and 'Cath, and 'Duel',etc, etc, ad infinitum...

 So the question is; Is there any one cover version that's had a special meaning for you?

And, are there any songs you'd like to have a bash at, but haven't ?  If so, why?
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Post by: Leckers on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 17:09 PM
Yes there were boxes for picket fence sets A and B. There would’ve been an overly complicated way of getting one, something to do with signing up for all 12 or something? The artist formerly known as Pip Dylan made some but all 12 titles didn’t fit inside for he measured the depth of 12 wallets WITHOUT CDRs in them. These boxes became the homes for fence firsts. Was it a fence firsts box you spied?

Today I worked on OOTWINS tapes that were a real treat to assemble, proving you never really learn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcp8jngAxBk

here’s where i saw the boxes - at
around 6:50 mark. i indeed signed
up for the picket series at the time
and got the 13th disc, but cannae
mind of the boxes. shame. really
looking forward to the ootwins tape.

leckers if i makes you feel any better i got one of them boxes " The StuArab A Box 1/1"   labelled on the bottom.    i can send you a pic

i must have been sleeping when
the picket box offer was made all
those years ago. tell you what, i’ll
send you a pic of my i am 9 for
one of your box.*  :)

and yes, tracks are: stalking the
famous, rise and dark tenner shone,
send rank one then.







*steady funky.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 17:13 PM
There have been some absolutely belting KC cover versions over the years.

  Particularly memorable ones include Michelle Shocked's 'When I Grow Up', The entire secret shack gig on the WTOM, Hamish Imlach's mighty 'Cod Liver Oil', Demis' 'Forever And Ever', many of the beauts recorded for the "Lez 80's" album that you kindly gave us a sneaky listen to in An Tobar many moons ago, and 'Cath, and 'Duel',etc, etc, ad infinitum...

 So the question is; Is there any one cover version that's had a special meaning for you?

And, are there any songs you'd like to have a bash at, but haven't ?  If so, why?


lez 80s will always be lesbos to me.
the sinead o’connor cover on that disc
is sublime.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 17:19 PM
out of interest stu did
you get a box for the
b series?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: ayjayemm on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 17:58 PM



lez 80s will always be lesbos to me.
the sinead o’connor cover on that disc
is sublime.


What he said.

About the Sinead cover, at any rate.

Less so about the lesbo's.

Ithankyew.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 18:01 PM
i have an album called "almost 9" which was a half burnt cdr - is that, should that, have been "i am 9 " which i don't think i have a copy of.

tracks include
"stalking the fathoms" (famous - never could read your writing  :) )
"dark tenner"
"rise"

Leckers beat me to it - i’ve been working on the cassette tape production line all afternoon. Job’s a good ‘un, get ready Mr. Mailman. I’ll post you up an “I Am 9” in its entirety.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 18:05 PM
out of interest stu did
you get a box for the
b series?

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Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 18:13 PM
out of interest, what titles are next in line?

Despite everything Triassic Tusk is still quite keen on the final instalment in chapter 1 of BuoyGull, which is great for chapter 2 is primed to start soon. The song is Pibroch, the format 10” or 12” vinyl I hope.

Although KY10 is still floating about in the actual Doldrums, the next chapters are on their way, but the voyage ahead is long.

Far off into the future there might come a time when I start to miss all the vinyl I used to have bearing down on three separate floors, and this is when I shall no doubt have all but forgotten the few kc titles I have ready to roll right now. The music i’m most enjoying making has a dearth of songs to sing, and this might be problematic when it comes to selling records to those who prefer songs as sung by kc.

Or a welcome change for those who prefer Peter Rabbit Tea over all else  :)

A mighty dearth of "What if's?"

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 18:42 PM
Is there any one cover version that's had a special meaning for you?

And, are there any songs you'd like to have a bash at, but haven't ?  If so, why?

‘Last Day Of Our Acquaintance’ by Sinead. Early April 1990 Eric Baeckeroot and I left the busking band after our first halt in Newcastle whilst the other 3 (my ex, her new squeeze and best pal Broos) carried on with the tour as planned. By the summer we’d reached Sarlat in the Dordogne and teamed up with Giles and Giloux, who ran a music academy from a crumbling yellow sandstone townhouse in centre ville. To avoid the midday sun I borrowed a guitar and with every one of my three chords sat in the dank basement to try and learn ‘Last Day’. At this point in time I neither sang in the band nor played guitar, so imagine my surprise when I left the basement to find G & G greetin’ their eyes out. Who knows, those lads might’ve only just broken up.

There are a couple of Gaelic songs I know the tunes of, but would never attempt the words, and a couple of Coldplay songs, Viva La Vida for example, that I might get away with if I sang in French. I can at least sing in Majestic French.



Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: arab on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 20:44 PM
out of interest stu did
you get a box for the
b series?

no i never did.  i have the set but no box (fnarr funky).

i might just make my own.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 20:51 PM
out of interest stu did
you get a box for the
b series?

no i never did.  i have the set but no box (fnarr funky).

i might just make my own.

If only you knew somewhere that makes boxes!!
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: arab on Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 21:11 PM
out of interest stu did
you get a box for the
b series?

no i never did.  i have the set but no box (fnarr funky).

i might just make my own.

If only you knew somewhere that makes boxes!!

hmmm....  ;D   :  i am working on a box for a box set at the moment - records not cds mind

cds are so 2000...
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 18:37 PM
With capo at the fifth fret, Saw Circular Prowess chords are:-

Verse      Gm Dm C G
Chorus    Em G Gm C
Bridge    Gm Em

The Gm ought to be an Em barred at the third fret, but owing to my ham fisted attempts at bar chords the G string fnarr is open, the B string fretted properly to make a D and the high E dampened as best as.

Happy strumming.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Cameleon on Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 19:56 PM
Please forgive me for asking about something you hope would vanish forever but how is your tinitus?  Has it receded since you've withdrawn from live gigs?  I hope so.

 I was advised that my brain would get used to it so I would notice it less and less but that sounds like bolleaux.   Particularly at night and I appear to be under the flight path of a Lancaster following an 18Khz beacon!

How are you coping with the unwanted intrusion?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: FilthySwan on Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 20:49 PM
With capo at the fifth fret, Saw Circular Prowess chords are:-

Verse      Gm Dm C G
Chorus    Em G Gm C
Bridge    Gm Em

The Gm ought to be an Em barred at the third fret, but owing to my ham fisted attempts at bar chords the G string fnarr is open, the B string fretted properly to make a D and the high E dampened as best as.

Happy strumming.

Suweet! I’m currently on day 1 of 10 days self isolation so this’ll give me something to do to avoid procrastinating about learning how to use a sampler. Singing songs capoed in general are problematic at the moment as I’m getting an op a week Monday to remove a cyst on one of my vocal cords. No singing for me for almost a year which is a welcome relief to everyone who isn’t me. I’m clinging to the hope I come out with Adele’s voice or something post op. What a movie that would be!
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 23:44 PM
Please forgive me for asking about something you hope would vanish forever but how is your tinitus?  Has it receded since you've withdrawn from live gigs?  I hope so.

 I was advised that my brain would get used to it so I would notice it less and less but that sounds like bolleaux.   Particularly at night and I appear to be under the flight path of a Lancaster following an 18Khz beacon!

How are you coping with the unwanted intrusion?

I’ve learned that loud frequencies close to those that my ear rings at are best avoided - an afternoon in headphones spells trouble, as does a long car journey, a short journey with the window open an inch, or being outside on a windy day even with hat on and hood up. Got to be careful with water in my ears. Dr. Sam Bailey, a Kiwi doctor, has a good video up on YouTube on the subject.

It took a few years, but I can now ignore the low level noises, although it very easily jumps up in volume to a point where I’m aware of the racket even above the TV and general daytime/car engine noise.

Maybe try switching your broadband off at night, and keep the radio tuned between stations at a low level.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Sunday_Boy on Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 20:33 PM
This thread has been fascinating. Have you ever thought about writing a book like Vic and JY have done?

A few years back a writer friend did manage to get a publisher on board for a book that would tell the kc/fence story through my songs, in a style not unlike the sleeve notes for the That Might Well Be It, Darling EPs, with pages from my songbooks to liven it up a bit. Hundreds of hours of interviews, then a lot of work for a very niche market. The thought of me doing it myself is daunting to say the least.

If encouragement would help, this is a mouthwatering prospect and would be a treasured read. If it doesn't materialise, Peter Ustinov will have a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Sunday_Boy on Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 20:38 PM
lez 80s will always be lesbos to me.
the sinead o’connor cover on that disc
is sublime.

What he said.

About the Sinead cover, at any rate.

Less so about the lesbo's.

Ithankyew.

Could we please revisit the rather excellent idea of a Les 80s cassette in celebration of Fence & KC's 25th year? Definitely not too late to celebrate.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 22:35 PM

Could we please revisit the rather excellent idea of a Les 80s cassette in celebration of Fence & KC's 25th year? Definitely not too late to celebrate.

Hanging in there now for our 27th ... i’m waiting on just one title to complete the set, that being a guest performance of ‘my 20th Bit Of Strange’.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Sunday_Boy on Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 12:15 PM
Hanging in there now for our 27th ... i’m waiting on just one title to complete the set, that being a guest performance of ‘my 20th Bit Of Strange’.

That's wonderful news, and the buses bringing good news seem to be coming in quick succession with the reported "promise" at the end of the new Futtle blog. There are brighter skies ahead!
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: stephen on Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 19:56 PM
question for KC.

Sometimes themes repeat themselves in lyrics and songs, do you think of them as sequels/prequels/cousins? Are they written at the same time or is that just coming back to something that floats past 

You know like 'worst of the three' carrying through at least three songs, that kind of thing.

Yours, kind regards etc.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: stephen on Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 19:56 PM
I really like when that happens by the way.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 00:43 AM
question for KC.

Sometimes themes repeat themselves in lyrics and songs, do you think of them as sequels/prequels/cousins? Are they written at the same time or is that just coming back to something that floats past 

You know like 'worst of the three' carrying through at least three songs, that kind of thing

I’ve a few songs that are a sort of P.S. to earlier songs, yes, but sometimes a long lyric gets carved up from the off if too wordy, or rewritten within a day or two by keeping bits of the original and then going off at a tangent. This is the danger of just writing lyrics off the top of your head, or waking up in the middle of the night with the *best song idea ever*. Twin Tub and Twin Tub Twin have a central theme and shared lines - I wasn’t totally happy with the first version (Loose Tea) so I went on to record the piano led version for Rocket DIY and ad-libbed a chorus. The live version is different again, but the dynamic range is too great to commit this version to tape.

“It’s going to end in tears ... all mine” is largely the same lyric over 2 different tunes, joined up, and “Brighton Vs Hove” 2 very different lyrics and tunes over the same chords. I never thought that the first recorded version of a song should automatically become the definitive version anyway.

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 08:58 AM
One of my memories on Facebook today was a photo of you and Gummi playing in Crail Pottery on the final day of the World Tour of Crail, 8 years ago. Given the events leading up to the WToC, how much do you actually remember about it?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 14:42 PM
One of my memories on Facebook today was a photo of you and Gummi playing in Crail Pottery on the final day of the World Tour of Crail, 8 years ago. Given the events leading up to the WToC, how much do you actually remember about it?

Ha, every single painful step, large tumbler of whisky included. I had to duck out early on a couple of the earlier nights, once in a borrowed wheelchair, when my ankle began swelling up and the cast got tighter and tighter. Despite passing the crutches test on the ward I fell onto my ankle within a day or two when one of the crutches slid away from me on a carpet rug, and I was convinced from that point on that I could feel small rocks grinding away at each other inside my ankle. Great days. Terrible nights.

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: arab on Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 14:59 PM
One of my memories on Facebook today was a photo of you and Gummi playing in Crail Pottery on the final day of the World Tour of Crail, 8 years ago. Given the events leading up to the WToC, how much do you actually remember about it?

Ha, every single painful step, large tumbler of whisky included. I had to duck out early on a couple of the earlier nights, once in a borrowed wheelchair, when my ankle began swelling up and the cast got tighter and tighter. Despite passing the crutches test on the ward I fell onto my ankle within a day or two when one of the crutches slid away from me on a carpet rug, and I was convinced from that point on that I could feel small rocks grinding away at each other inside my ankle. Great days. Terrible nights.

i remember that grimacing sweatiness very well, a grand effort.    i think that might have been the night when anne went behind the bar for a lock in and we played danger darts with ziggy and r.o.s.   but i might be getting my drunken nights mixed up.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 17:59 PM
One of my memories on Facebook today was a photo of you and Gummi playing in Crail Pottery on the final day of the World Tour of Crail, 8 years ago. Given the events leading up to the WToC, how much do you actually remember about it?

Ha, every single painful step, large tumbler of whisky included. I had to duck out early on a couple of the earlier nights, once in a borrowed wheelchair, when my ankle began swelling up and the cast got tighter and tighter. Despite passing the crutches test on the ward I fell onto my ankle within a day or two when one of the crutches slid away from me on a carpet rug, and I was convinced from that point on that I could feel small rocks grinding away at each other inside my ankle. Great days. Terrible nights.

We picked Dan Withered Hand up at Leuchars station in a snow storm on the Thursday nigh, having taken a very circuitous route from Edzell to avoid a huge tailback in the snow on the A90, all the while panicking that not only you but Dan might not be available for the opening night if we didn't get through. I seem to remember that you were pretty much out of it the first night but were much improved the following days/nights with Andy doing a great job on wheelchair pushing duties.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 20:51 PM
you’re obviously a big
talk talk fan, but was
wondering what you
think of the mark hollis
solo album? might be
my greatest find of the
past ten years.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 16:13 PM
you’re obviously a big
talk talk fan, but was
wondering what you
think of the mark hollis
solo album? might be
my greatest find of the
past ten years.

Since reading this last night my answer to your question has been going round and round in my head, edited down, built back up ... Keny Drew this morning announced that we were still short of written content for the JAMPzine, so I dug out the Mark Hollis album and played it through to be interrupted only once during track 5 when the Bellestar Galactica snuck in and pushed Radio 5 on the remote. Fitting somehow.

The ongoing unresolved and unsettling nature of it all is now getting the longwinded treatment in print  8)
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 10:26 AM
Any plans for a kwaing disintegration loops set/album using the lup machine?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 19:12 PM
you’re obviously a big
talk talk fan, but was
wondering what you
think of the mark hollis
solo album? might be
my greatest find of the
past ten years.

Since reading this last night my answer to your question has been going round and round in my head, edited down, built back up ... Keny Drew this morning announced that we were still short of written content for the JAMPzine, so I dug out the Mark Hollis album and played it through to be interrupted only once during track 5 when the Bellestar Galactica snuck in and pushed Radio 5 on the remote. Fitting somehow.

The ongoing unresolved and unsettling nature of it all is now getting the longwinded treatment in print  8)


braw.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Daydream Daisy on Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 02:07 AM


Ah, the Four Mavis ... how ugly would they be now? The Four Boris was to have been the next in sequence, but we fell out with Aikman’s and another great idea fizzled out. By the time we regrouped in Anstruther our ‘contact’ in the charity shop trade had moved on, so no more borrowed outfits for us.
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I have great memories of Aikman's, but for some reason I missed the Four Mavis's and was gutted when I heard how good the gig was afterwards. What happened with Aikman's? I have recollections of lots of jumping up and down (mainly during the happy song) and I remember hearing that the vibrations were so intense they resulted in smashed bottles and glasses in the Cellar Bar downstairs on a number of occasions and lots of complaints. Did this sour relations? And will we ever get to hear you, Een and Gords sing The Happy Song again once we can go to live music events again? That would be amazing!





On that note, will we ever get to hear the Anderson trio sing The Happy Song again?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Daydream Daisy on Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 02:28 AM
This thread has been fascinating. Have you ever thought about writing a book like Vic and JY have done?

A few years back a writer friend did manage to get a publisher on board for a book that would tell the kc/fence story through my songs, in a style not unlike the sleeve notes for the That Might Well Be It, Darling EPs, with pages from my songbooks to liven it up a bit. Hundreds of hours of interviews, then a lot of work for a very niche market. The thought of me doing it myself is daunting to say the least.

This thread has been such a great read, agreed!

Would love to hear your memoirs, if ever that were tae happen, but appreciate the niche und daunt involved.
A bit of Ctrl C & Ctrl X from your many zines might suffice for us Hubbers, mebbe no a publisher, alas.


I've really enjoyed reading this thread too. Yes, a publisher will take an age and a lot of time, effort and money will go into producing a book. But self-publishing is worth thinking about. Keep me in mind if you need a typesetter/proofreader...
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 20:35 PM
Any plans for a kwaing disintegration loops set/album using the lup machine?

Degrading these magnetic tapes is harder than you’d think - for 1/4” tape i’m trying to devise some sort of sandpaper roller for the loop to scrape against instead of razors and the like, but I believe the lup with its inbuilt magnets requires some fairly precise loop lengths in order for the tape to get close enough to degrade, but not so close that the tape is then too slack to catch on the drive wheel. Cassette tape is so narrow and fiddly to work with I expect some very frustrating hours ahead  :)

Today I accidentally managed to degrade a DAT tape enough as add some ‘interesting’ glitches to next month’s JAMPzine #4.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 20:47 PM
For the simple punter, what is the benefit or object of degrading the tape?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 20:57 PM

What happened with Aikman's? I have recollections of lots of jumping up and down (mainly during the happy song) and I remember hearing that the vibrations were so intense they resulted in smashed bottles and glasses in the Cellar Bar downstairs on a number of occasions and lots of complaints. Did this sour relations? And will we ever get to hear you, Een and Gords sing The Happy Song again once we can go to live music events again?


The last time I ever set foot in Aikman’s was to pick up our envelope for what had been one of the busiest fence Sunday Socials to date, a packed pub from noon until close, with most of us players camped out the entire day spending as much on food and drink as any punter. I’d spent over 3 years listening to the owners’ promises of sound proofing, sound equipment, proper staging, lighting, a lockable door by the stage ... and had only managed to increase our fee from what began as a very modest amount for Pip Dylan and I as a duo playing 3 hours on a Wednesday night, to an embarrassing far- less-than-dizzying amount for upwards of 10 acts playing for 12 hours on a Sunday.

Needless to say, the envelope was incredibly light, not quite enough for our petrol costs, the reason being that additional staff was needed, a glass was broken downstairs, and that i’d forgotten to pay for my chips, cheese and beans. Sounds petty, but later that week I learned that had I hailed from, say, Dunfermline, and played covers for 2 hours solo on a Saturday night, emptying the bar in the process, I could’ve been paid 3 times as much. Every week.

The last time the 3 Andersons were seen together was out by the harbour master’s office on the Anster pier in the summer of 2018. No singing. One of us ought to reverse those 4 chords of E, A, D and G, pen new words, make it “the unhappy song” for i’m not convinced live music the way we knew it is coming back anytime soon.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 21:19 PM
For the simple punter, what is the benefit or object of degrading the tape?

Let’s say I record a loop of a chorus, um, Dial ‘C’ for example without the drums and poptastic elements, and set the loop running round the room with the tape slowly degrading on each pass, add some delay and reverb, and then record the result, then what you’d hopefully end up with is the kc musical equivalent of cliff erosion, or metal rusting away, paper yellowing, photographs fading, that sort of thing. If you manage to get the degradation rate right you could create an hour long piece of music that’s slowly changing over time, going to places that you never expected, utterly compelling, haunting and beautiful as it falls apart. Check out the Disintegration Loops by William Basinski, maaaaagic.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: FilthySwan on Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 05:03 AM
For the simple punter, what is the benefit or object of degrading the tape?

This is a pretty good video if slightly cheesy in places if you have 20mins spare and can be bothered with the ads.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: arab on Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 13:35 PM
Check out the Disintegration Loops by William Basinski, maaaaagic.

thats some quite mind bending stuff right there...
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: arab on Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 13:37 PM
Check out the Disintegration Loops by William Basinski, maaaaagic.

thats some quite mind bending stuff right there...

next up "something from the pink house "  :-)
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: FilthySwan on Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 14:18 PM
For the simple punter, what is the benefit or object of degrading the tape?

This is a pretty good video if slightly cheesy in places if you have 20mins spare and can be bothered with the ads.

Oh aye, quite handy if you post a link eh?  :D

https://youtu.be/cVy9ABT5-iY
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: ravedamage on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 00:36 AM
I did hae a wee skeck through the thread again, jist to make sure I wasnae repeating anyhing...

Is there a lyric of someone else's that gies ye goosebumps everytime ye hear it?

Favourite film(s) or TV show(s)?

What's been the best part (or benefit) of being famous/recognised in the public domain?

Reverse googling (oo-er missus) an image from a mix I found (involving your tunes), I subsequently found loads of pictures of you via Getty Images. Curious to know what was going on here, jist cos the lass on the left looks a wee bit like Karin from Fever Ray/The Knife:

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/kenny-anderson-of-king-creosote-poses-for-photos-at-the-british-music-picture-id111141000?s=2048x2048)

You and Hopkins scrub up weel in this ane, it says it was taken at the Roundhouse in Camden. Any particular reason ye thocht to get made up all sexy like? Asking for a friend ;)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/photo-of-king-creosote-kenny-anderson-performing-live-on-stage-picture-id85067722?s=2048x2048)

Given Mr Hopkins deathly pallor in that photie, is there any dead person you would have liked to have met o'er the years?

Ye mentioned REM (in a stadium venue) was a bit keech...what were the others? Any of them better than keech? My best stadium gig was Depeche Mode at Crystal Palace in 1993...me and a pal travelled doon on the bus from Kirkcaldy fir it, it wis amazing. At the hight of their powers, as it were. Bonus was Sisters of Mercy in support mode...Mr Eldritch was a tad scathing about La Mode, as the Sisters left the stage..."enjoy the puppet show"...   ::) ;D

The scarcity of your physical output is legendary round here...is there any record/tape/wax cylinder, etc., that you'd pay a pretty penny for?

As for scarcity, do you have a copy of Chill Out by The KLF on vinyl? If not, would ye like one?

Seeing you mention your love of electronic music here and there, do ye hae any particular favourites (EP/LP/whatever) from the back catalogue of Aphex Twin/Autechre/Boards of Canada/Squarepusher/U-Ziq?

Lastly, and totally appreciate you'll gie this a big auld swerve, has your opinion on Scotland's potential independence changed at all in the last few years...?

Christ, them pictures are huge though...apologies for ruining anyone's browsing experience.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 12:31 PM
Is there a lyric of someone else's that gies ye goosebumps everytime ye hear it?

Laura Gibson’s ‘Empire Builder’ is full of them, especially the last couple of verses in Damn Sure
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FbvNKXZmB3o


Favourite film(s) or TV show(s)?

Gregory’s Girl might just have ousted one of my all time top 2 (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Grease) and Jaws is ‘nipping at the heels’ of these 3. I’m a massive fan of the 3* action thriller especially if it involves space and/or alien beings, or has an alternative take on history with all its mythical beasts and whatnot. Don’t know where Deadpool 2 sits in all this, but I absolutely laughed my ass off watching that film and need to see it again.

Highlight of the week is Battlestar Galactica on BBC2, and imagine my surprise when I found out last week that Game Of Thrones ran to a full 8 seasons? I blame the introduction of Farming Simulator in December 2016 for allowing me to drop the ball on that one. On Sunday night I watched the last 4 episodes of season 4 to recap, and already the end of season 5/start of season 6 looms large. I couldn’t have watched 2 seasons of anything every 5 days in my old life.


What's been the best part (or benefit) of being famous/recognised in the public domain?

I’ve recorded at Chem19 since Ballad of the Books’ “Where and When”, and all visitors to Chem19 must show true allegiance to ‘the van’ when it comes to lunchtimes. It’s tricky being veggie though, and if I miss that once a week lunchtime special of macaroni cheese then it’s a potato scone roll and chips for me again.

One lunchtime whilst working on ‘Astronaut’ Paul and I went, late as usual, to the van and of course i’d missed the macaroni cheese. One of the van owners was so delighted she’d spotted her Aunt Doris in FSWL that a well, well, WELL cooked cheese omelette and chips just for me whenever I liked from that day forth was absolutely no problem whatsoever, extra cheese on the chips?


Reverse googling (oo-er missus) an image from a mix I found (involving your tunes), I subsequently found loads of pictures of you via Getty Images. Curious to know what was going on here.
You and Hopkins scrub up weel in this ane, it says it was taken at the Roundhouse in Camden. Any particular reason ye thocht to get made up all sexy like? Asking for a friend ;)

That guy in between his two wives looks very like the actor that used to play king creosote during the plump years! Is that not Steve Strange and his girlfriend in that second one though?


Ye mentioned REM (in a stadium venue) was a bit keech...what were the others? Any of them better than keech? My best stadium gig was Depeche Mode at Crystal Palace in 1993...me and a pal travelled doon on the bus from Kirkcaldy fir it, it wis amazing. At the hight of their powers, as it were. Bonus was Sisters of Mercy in support mode...Mr Eldritch was a tad scathing about La Mode, as the Sisters left the stage..."enjoy the puppet show"...   ::) ;D

My other stadium gigs were Simple Minds in 1985 at Ibrox was it? And Elton John at St.Johnstone’s football ground. Although I was a fan of the Minds it was actually Lloyd Cole & the Commotions I paid good money to see, and I was on the ... ahem ... guest list for that Perth gig.

The scarcity of your physical output is legendary round here...is there any record/tape/wax cylinder, etc., that you'd pay a pretty penny for?

When it comes to record shops, i’m no browser so always head towards the sections and bands I already know. However, I am an impulse buyer, and so if I see something sitting right next to the thing I went in to look for i’ll buy it if there’s enough cash in my wallet. Latterly this applied to Monorail when dropping off records, or to Groucho’s when more often than not I left with a clutch of 12” singles and a Dansette.

As for scarcity, do you have a copy of Chill Out by The KLF on vinyl? If not, would ye like one?

I think I do, but i’ll check, thanks! I have absolutely no idea of course what is rare or not.

Seeing you mention your love of electronic music here and there, do ye hae any particular favourites (EP/LP/whatever) from the back catalogue of Aphex Twin/Autechre/Boards of Canada/Squarepusher/U-Ziq?

Keny Drew lent me the Collected Ambient Works and I own an EP by Boards of Canada. We stocked a lot of electronic music in the fence shop, and not thinking it would be so short lived I wish now I’d bought more of it at the time. Oh well. I prefer the 70s German output anyway.
Whisky Stephen gave me a very expensive looking boxset of early electronica for my birthday, and listening to these records will be my reward for getting my JAMPzine homework handed in on time.

Lastly, and totally appreciate you'll gie this a big auld swerve, has your opinion on Scotland's potential independence changed at all in the last few years?

Haven’t you heard? Opinions, like adjectives, are soon to be outlawed in Scotland.
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Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 12:36 PM

Given Mr Hopkins deathly pallor in that photie, is there any dead person you would have liked to have met o'er the years?

Not really, but i’ll give it some thought!
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Post by: hallav on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 13:18 PM
For the simple punter, what is the benefit or object of degrading the tape?

Let’s say I record a loop of a chorus, um, Dial ‘C’ for example without the drums and poptastic elements, and set the loop running round the room with the tape slowly degrading on each pass, add some delay and reverb, and then record the result, then what you’d hopefully end up with is the kc musical equivalent of cliff erosion, or metal rusting away, paper yellowing, photographs fading, that sort of thing. If you manage to get the degradation rate right you could create an hour long piece of music that’s slowly changing over time, going to places that you never expected, utterly compelling, haunting and beautiful as it falls apart. Check out the Disintegration Loops by William Basinski, maaaaagic.


I've met this chap a couple of times - played the Tin Arts Centre in Coventry as part of a Moduar Meet.

Not at all geeky.

Not at all.  :)

https://youtu.be/CyW5O1xSk40
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Post by: fuctifano on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 13:19 PM
I've got a bit of catching up to do here!
In the meantime....I was listening to something the other day with a bit of whistling in it - maybe Unpoc was it? Anyway, I can't think of any KC songs that feature a wee whistle. Are there any? The more I think about this the harder I find it to imagine KC whistling. Why is that?
 
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: scout on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 14:03 PM
Quote
It’s looking like we’ll create a single, low cost subscription, one size fits all, of exclusive digital only content and then open an online shop of sorts to tempt you all with small numbers of handmade rarities from back then, now and beyond.

Going all the way back to this first post, I just wanted to say that this sounds brilliant. I'm afraid that when the Patreon started I was a wee bit unsure of finances, and also the various tiers. It looks as though it was going to be a chronological reissue, which made me think I might be about 7 or 8 £30's in before I got something new to me.

I am, of course, kicking myself for this now: the recent releases all sound really interesting, especially "Class of '99" whilst I've been having lockdown-induced nostalgic daydreams about the Aikmans days*.

Looking forward to the new Patreon, and any shop titles, in the future.

* I keep trying to sit down and type up some memories of those gigs, the Citizens shows etc. but every night it gets too late and I roll off to bed with a promise to do it tomorrow. Maybe tonight though.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 14:18 PM
I've got a bit of catching up to do here!
In the meantime....I was listening to something the other day with a bit of whistling in it - maybe Unpoc was it? Anyway, I can't think of any KC songs that feature a wee whistle. Are there any? The more I think about this the harder I find it to imagine KC whistling. Why is that?

I think there’s whistling at the end of KK1J’s version of ‘all of these years’, and maybe on ‘flounder’, but equally I might have masked any bad whistling with accordion. It’s hard to keep whistling in tune and in control without laughing, and it has to be done across a microphone rather than into it, so you need a pretty good microphone. Then there’s the virtuoso whistling of Andrew Bird to contend with.

In May 1996 I heard amazing whistling at a bus station in Turkey whilst awaiting the airport shuttle and memorised the tune, using it as the main melody on one of the Queen Of Brush County songs. Let’s see if anyone can guess which one!
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: scout on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 14:26 PM
There's a wee whistling intro to Visiting Hours on Inner Crail too. That was the one that first popped in my head.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 14:26 PM
Quote
It’s looking like we’ll create a single, low cost subscription, one size fits all, of exclusive digital only content and then open an online shop of sorts to tempt you all with small numbers of handmade rarities from back then, now and beyond.

Going all the way back to this first post, I just wanted to say that this sounds brilliant. I'm afraid that when the Patreon started I was a wee bit unsure of finances, and also the various tiers. It looks as though it was going to be a chronological reissue, which made me think I might be about 7 or 8 £30's in before I got something new to me.

I am, of course, kicking myself for this now: the recent releases all sound really interesting, especially "Class of '99" whilst I've been having lockdown-induced nostalgic daydreams about the Aikmans days*.

Looking forward to the new Patreon, and any shop titles, in the future.

* I keep trying to sit down and type up some memories of those gigs, the Citizens shows etc. but every night it gets too late and I roll off to bed with a promise to do it tomorrow. Maybe tonight though.

On the Citizens shows, please do! My memories of it all are somewhat hazy.

Patreon, yes, we’re changing it from April to a single tier, £3 per month, subscription for which we’ll offer up digital streams (blech) of all that’s already gone up, plus a new track every month - just not always with an accompanying video. Patreons will get access to the 24 hour streaming fence radio - we almost have the required 22 hours’ worth of modular to separate the 2 hour ‘shows’ we intend to broadcast - as well as access to the physical albums and whatnot that we’ll hopefully sell from the online JAMP shop. This will have to suffice until we can return to real live JAMP nights and KY10 related exhibitions/events.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 14:28 PM
There's a wee whistling intro to Visiting Hours on Inner Crail too. That was the one that first popped in my head.

See what I mean about the memory being hazy? Did I whistle all over the Tunng remix of Twin Tub? I was pished enough to try it  :)
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 14:40 PM


I've met this chap a couple of times - played the Tin Arts Centre in Coventry as part of a Moduar Meet.

Not at all geeky.

Not at all.  :)

https://youtu.be/CyW5O1xSk40

Hudiv Ahken and Jataak Mulk are big fans of Hainbach. Speaking of modular meets i’d love to go the one in Norwich that Molten Modular speaks of.

Ach, we’ll maybe just start one of our own, see if they’ll come to us.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 17:19 PM
there’s also some excellent
whistling on the intro to fine
on the bazouki album.  :)
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 17:26 PM
hadn’t heard this before
but yes mair whistling.
yir a right veritable roger
whittaker.


https://soundcloud.com/tunng/twin-tub-twin-remix
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Sunday_Boy on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 20:01 PM
hadn’t heard this before
but yes mair whistling.
yir a right veritable roger
whittaker.


https://soundcloud.com/tunng/twin-tub-twin-remix

Such a great remix/reimagining - did it ever appear on vinyl or CD? It was used to soundtrack a short film, 50 Years and a Few Puss Kittens Wiser, which is just wonderful:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p004tml7 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p004tml7)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/electricproms/2007/films/newmusicshorts/anastasiakirillova/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/electricproms/2007/films/newmusicshorts/anastasiakirillova/)
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: hallav on Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 21:40 PM


I've met this chap a couple of times - played the Tin Arts Centre in Coventry as part of a Moduar Meet.

Not at all geeky.

Not at all.  :)

https://youtu.be/CyW5O1xSk40

Hudiv Ahken and Jataak Mulk are big fans of Hainbach. Speaking of modular meets i’d love to go the one in Norwich that Molten Modular speaks of.

Ach, we’ll maybe just start one of our own, see if they’ll come to us.

I’d love the opportunity  to travel back up to the East Neuk for a Modular Meet 😬

Ironically the last one I went to was Synthfest in Sheffield and Robin did a price breakdown of building a modular system that was educational, hilarious and terrifying in equal measure. At the same event and staying with the whole tape loop process this was a genuine highlight https://youtu.be/PaxZyUV0Q4g
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Post by: kwaing on Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 14:00 PM

Reverse googling (oo-er missus) an image from a mix I found (involving your tunes), I subsequently found loads of pictures of you via Getty Images. Curious to know what was going on here, jist cos the lass on the left looks a wee bit like Karin from Fever Ray/The Knife.

You and Hopkins scrub up weel in this ane, it says it was taken at the Roundhouse in Camden. Any particular reason ye thocht to get made up all sexy like? Asking for a friend.

Given Mr Hopkins deathly pallor in that photie, is there any dead person you would have liked to have met o'er the years?

I dug out a box of diaries yesterday thinking that these pictures would’ve been taken in 2011 or 2012? Nope. Imagine looking that old in 2009 or 10, yikes.

Whisky Stephen gave me a list of dead folks including Tim Hardin, John Coltrane and Jackie Leven, but then this morning my dad told me a century old story about ‘Auld Granny Anderson’ and a minister with huge lugs, so I’m going to answer with ‘the minister with the huge lugs’.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: scout on Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 16:54 PM
Quote
using it as the main melody on one of the Queen Of Brush County songs. Let’s see if anyone can guess which one!

My guess is Me In Here, a song which I've been playing a lot recently. It's a great song, and your vocal is absolutely brilliant on it.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 19:02 PM
i’ll go with ‘your guess
who’s in at the core?’
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: stephen on Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 21:29 PM
Why is the world interested in techno sea shanties and whether Mogwai have a number one album? That question to anyone.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: stephen on Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 21:34 PM
I mean a quick check on companies house shows that Mogwai aren't exactly skint.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 21:56 PM
is it bad that i have
never heard a single
track by mogwai? as
for the sea shanty guy
- everyone has a day
in the sun. joe dolce
anyone?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Cameleon on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 05:35 AM
I loved their score for Les Revenants and just because a band is successful doesn't mean it's not good music.  Point taken however.  Didn't Dolce keep Vienna off the top slot?  Always preferred Ultravox with John Foxx anyway.  Please tell me to shaduppamyface.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Cameleon on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 05:42 AM
back to the subject in hand however.  Any plans for your lovely white Gibson to come out of retirement Kenny?  I've got fond memories of the gig upstairs at the Golf before you set off for that Scandinavian invite.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 06:39 AM
is it bad that i have
never heard a single
track by mogwai? as
for the sea shanty guy
- everyone has a day
in the sun. joe dolce
anyone?

I am sure that
I put on on a compilation
For you back in the day.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 07:07 AM
Why is the world interested in techno sea shanties and whether Mogwai have a number one album? That question to anyone.

Is there a bandcamp link for the techno one?

The night Mogwai played at the Doogie Paul memorial in the assembly rooms was the loudest I have ever heard them.. Brilliant set.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: stephen on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 08:56 AM
With Mogwai i was just feeling a bit like why is twitter all excited about a band with 4 trading companies with almost a million in capital who play big gigs anyway and sell a lot of records getting a number one album when there are no big releases that they're trying to stop.

It's not a David and Goliath story like some punter in the street whistling getting to number one. I mean they're not exactly short of twitter followers either, and it just seems a bit PR/desperate to me.

 I have no idea what their music sounds like, i've never heard any that i'm aware of cause the general terms used like 'guitar' and 'loud' don't really pump my 'nads.

The last LP that Triassic Tusk put out sold around 140 copies, so maybe i should employ a PR company to run a twitter campaign for me too.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 09:10 AM
Any plans for your lovely white Gibson to come out of retirement Kenny?  I've got fond memories of the gig upstairs at the Golf before you set off for that Scandinavian invite.

“Småvulgär“ you mean?
(Småvulgär is a Swedish compound of små=small and vulgär=vulgar, meaning 'a little vulgar'.)

Too good an adjective to only use for an album title, and who knows, after months and months of lockdowns and restrictions, folks might just tolerate my playing of the damned thing.

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 09:16 AM
I quite like the Mogwai one that starts slowly, builds up and then explodes into a wall of noise near the end.

That Mogwai set at the Doogie Paul gig was far too loud for the venue, I had a pain in my chest from it. I don't understand why they seem to think incredibly loud = good.

Joe Dolce keeping Ultravox off no.1 remains one of my favourite 80's moment.

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 13:39 PM
I quite like the Mogwai one that starts slowly, builds up and then explodes into a wall of noise near the end.


i am assuming that’s a joke.
but i am going to have a wee
listen to them today. a report
will be forthcoming.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 13:41 PM
Joe Dolce keeping Ultravox off no.1 remains one of my favourite 80's moment.


yup- its deffo up there
with dens park may 86.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 13:45 PM
is it bad that i have
never heard a single
track by mogwai? as
for the sea shanty guy
- everyone has a day
in the sun. joe dolce
anyone?

I am sure that
I put on on a compilation
For you back in the day.


you may well have done
but it hasn’t made any
kind of impression on me.
i’m off to have a wee listen -
they better be bloody good.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 13:51 PM
Joe Dolce keeping Ultravox off no.1 remains one of my favourite 80's moment.


yup- its deffo up there
with dens park may 86.

 :(
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: baldpar on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 15:19 PM
With Mogwai i was just feeling a bit like

The last LP that Triassic Tusk put out sold around 140 copies, so maybe i should employ a PR company to run a twitter campaign for me too.
.

You need to get the album on one of the #timstwitterlisteningparty  :)

Mogwai have always kind of passed me by too but I succumbed and bought the new album. I've really enjoyed it. As a label they put out some great other stuff.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 15:54 PM
I quite like the Mogwai one that starts slowly, builds up and then explodes into a wall of noise near the end.


i am assuming that’s a joke.
but i am going to have a wee
listen to them today. a report
will be forthcoming.

i typed up a response early this morning which said, I can see what you've done there Chef Jet ski then got side-tracked by something else.

if you are going to be telling us next that you never knew that Arab Strap did miserable music and might have swore a lot...

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 16:03 PM
With Mogwai i was just feeling a bit like

The last LP that Triassic Tusk put out sold around 140 copies, so maybe i should employ a PR company to run a twitter campaign for me too.
.

You need to get the album on one of the #timstwitterlisteningparty  :)

Mogwai have always kind of passed me by too but I succumbed and bought the new album. I've really enjoyed it. As a label they put out some great other stuff.

Don't do this.  Always start with Young Team, go backwards and then move forward.

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: baldpar on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 16:08 PM
With Mogwai i was just feeling a bit like

The last LP that Triassic Tusk put out sold around 140 copies, so maybe i should employ a PR company to run a twitter campaign for me too.
.

You need to get the album on one of the #timstwitterlisteningparty  :)

Mogwai have always kind of passed me by too but I succumbed and bought the new album. I've really enjoyed it. As a label they put out some great other stuff.

Don't do this.  Always start with Young Team, go backwards and then move forward.

Noted.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 16:45 PM
always do this with new artists.
was in the car today and heard
nicola interviewing the guy stuart
from mogwai. seems like a pleasant
fellow and there was also talk of
an interview with vic last night.
she played a song from the new
album and it sounded like malcolm
middleton singing a cure b side.
i liked it.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 16:46 PM
Joe Dolce keeping Ultravox off no.1 remains one of my favourite 80's moment.
[/quote ]


yup- its deffo up there
with dens park may 86.

 :(


just for you mate.  ;)
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Deegers on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 16:55 PM
Joe Dolce keeping Ultravox off no.1 remains one of my favourite 80's moment.
[/quote ]


yup- its deffo up there
with dens park may 86.

 :(


just for you mate.  ;)

just as well i love you then.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: FilthySwan on Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 18:52 PM
I probably just listen to every 3rd Mogwai album as good as they are at what they do you’re not missing much if you sit out the odd album it seems. Quite like the new one, not really listened since Rave Tapes. Although the soundtrack for ZeroZeroZero was good on the show.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: funky_nomad on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 09:32 AM
That Mogwai set at the Doogie Paul gig was far too loud for the venue, I had a pain in my chest from it. I don't understand why they seem to think incredibly loud = good.
Wimp  ::)
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: funky_nomad on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 09:34 AM
she played a song from the new
album and it sounded like malcolm
middleton singing a cure b side.
Singing? Mogwai? Surely shum mistake???
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 10:43 AM
That Mogwai set at the Doogie Paul gig was far too loud for the venue, I had a pain in my chest from it. I don't understand why they seem to think incredibly loud = good.
Wimp  ::)

Double wimp badge for me - it was so loud backstage in the dressing rooms I started to feel sick. Vomwai.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 13:08 PM
she played a song from the new
album and it sounded like malcolm
middleton singing a cure b side.
Singing? Mogwai? Surely shum mistake???


twas this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWjzlJEmmxM

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 13:33 PM
and back on topic...


it’s very rare you use
profanities in your lyrics
so it must have been
a conscious decision to
use the c word on how
i won my stripes. what
made you feel the need
to be so ruthless for that
song? it’s quite possibly
my favourite kc track and
on several occasions i’ve
to cough just at the right
time to stop nephews and
nieces hearing the bad
word!!!  :)

i’d also like to hear any
other thoughts on the
writing/recording process
of that one.


i’m trying to think of any
other kc sweary moments
but nowt off the top of my
head. and of course there
was that infamous review
of vice like gist of it back
in the day when the guy
thought you sang cunt
instead of unkind but we
will skip past that one.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: funky_nomad on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 13:42 PM
i’m trying to think of any
other kc sweary moments
but nowt off the top of my
head. and of course there
was that infamous review
of vice like gist of it back
in the day when the guy
thought you sang cunt
instead of unkind but we
will skip past that one.
Klutz
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 16:24 PM
faux call. there’s
probably a few.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: ayjayemm on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 17:14 PM
Err... Missionary, as well?

 He's a proper Sweary Mary when you thinnk about it!  ;)
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: czefski on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 17:33 PM
Tout Les chat de Edinburgh probably caused a stir in the French fan base.

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 19:36 PM
and back on topic...


it’s very rare you use
profanities in your lyrics
so it must have been
a conscious decision to
use the c word on how
i won my stripes. what
made you feel the need
to be so ruthless for that
song?

i’d also like to hear any
other thoughts on the
writing/recording process
of that one.


Saw Circular Prowess has a few Fs in the chorus. Less is more when it comes to swearing, though, and with so many songs I reckon the average use of a swearie is still pretty low ... um, Gran ...

I was invited over to play a festival in Rennes, 2011 I think, and I overheard a priest singing prayers so snuck in and recorded him on my phone. Around that time i’d been reading a Patrick O’Brien novel and learned that the phrase ‘how I won my stripes’ referred to the lash and not to the armbands that denote the promotion of corporals, sergeants etc. in the army as I previously thought. So as not to waste all those years of ignorance, I mixed both of these ideas in with a bit of, well, you know, marital grief of some sort, and because I already had lines ending in ‘hunt’ and ‘gun’, I couldn’t resist singing the C word with a hymn in the background for maximum shock value. Since meeting HMS G in 2002 i’ve more than once tried to pen a song that’s as economic with words yet still as powerful as ‘and the racket they made’, and this is one of my better attempts:-

I am no longer on the hunt
But I still end up with notches on my gun
You have friends that I despise
Well they think that i’m a c*nt
They can think what they like
They know nothing of my life
And how I’ve come undone
Nor how I won my stripes.



Something like that.


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Post by: Leckers on Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 21:42 PM
dinnae pit yir sel doon,
theres a whole novel
within those eight lines.
stunning.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: ravedamage on Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 00:41 AM
and back on topic...


it’s very rare you use
profanities in your lyrics
so it must have been
a conscious decision to
use the c word on how
i won my stripes. what
made you feel the need
to be so ruthless for that
song?

i’d also like to hear any
other thoughts on the
writing/recording process
of that one.


Saw Circular Prowess has a few Fs in the chorus. Less is more when it comes to swearing, though, and with so many songs I reckon the average use of a swearie is still pretty low ... um, Gran ...

I was invited over to play a festival in Rennes, 2011 I think, and I overheard a priest singing prayers so snuck in and recorded him on my phone. Around that time i’d been reading a Patrick O’Brien novel and learned that the phrase ‘how I won my stripes’ referred to the lash and not to the armbands that denote the promotion of corporals, sergeants etc. in the army as I previously thought. So as not to waste all those years of ignorance, I mixed both of these ideas in with a bit of, well, you know, marital grief of some sort, and because I already had lines ending in ‘hunt’ and ‘gun’, I couldn’t resist singing the C word with a hymn in the background for maximum shock value. Since meeting HMS G in 2002 i’ve more than once tried to pen a song that’s as economic with words yet still as powerful as ‘and the racket they made’, and this is one of my better attempts:-

I am no longer on the hunt
But I still end up with notches on my gun
You have friends that I despise
Well they think that i’m a c*nt
They can think what they like
They know nothing of my life
And how I’ve come undone
Nor how I won my stripes.



Something like that.

Had a search through my KC archive and this track only appears on the Jokes 7", is that right?
(At least, this is the only version I hae)

As far as I can hear, the Jokes version goes like this:

I am no longer on the hunt
And I still end up with notches on my gun
(And(?)) you have friends that I despise
Yes they think that I'm a cunt
Well they can think what they like
'cause they know nothing of my life
And how I came undone
Nor how I won my stripes

Stirring stuff, would love to hear other versions of it (if there are any).
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Post by: Deegers on Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 13:28 PM
Why is the world interested in techno sea shanties and whether Mogwai have a number one album? That question to anyone.

I draw the line at #maximopark4number1 though.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 20:23 PM
and back on topic...


it’s very rare you use
profanities in your lyrics
so it must have been
a conscious decision to
use the c word on how
i won my stripes. what
made you feel the need
to be so ruthless for that
song?

i’d also like to hear any
other thoughts on the
writing/recording process
of that one.


Saw Circular Prowess has a few Fs in the chorus. Less is more when it comes to swearing, though, and with so many songs I reckon the average use of a swearie is still pretty low ... um, Gran ...

I was invited over to play a festival in Rennes, 2011 I think, and I overheard a priest singing prayers so snuck in and recorded him on my phone. Around that time i’d been reading a Patrick O’Brien novel and learned that the phrase ‘how I won my stripes’ referred to the lash and not to the armbands that denote the promotion of corporals, sergeants etc. in the army as I previously thought. So as not to waste all those years of ignorance, I mixed both of these ideas in with a bit of, well, you know, marital grief of some sort, and because I already had lines ending in ‘hunt’ and ‘gun’, I couldn’t resist singing the C word with a hymn in the background for maximum shock value. Since meeting HMS G in 2002 i’ve more than once tried to pen a song that’s as economic with words yet still as powerful as ‘and the racket they made’, and this is one of my better attempts:-

I am no longer on the hunt
But I still end up with notches on my gun
You have friends that I despise
Well they think that i’m a c*nt
They can think what they like
They know nothing of my life
And how I’ve come undone
Nor how I won my stripes.



Something like that.

Had a search through my KC archive and this track only appears on the Jokes 7", is that right?
(At least, this is the only version I hae)

As far as I can hear, the Jokes version goes like this:

I am no longer on the hunt
And I still end up with notches on my gun
(And(?)) you have friends that I despise
Yes they think that I'm a cunt
Well they can think what they like
'cause they know nothing of my life
And how I came undone
Nor how I won my stripes

Stirring stuff, would love to hear other versions of it (if there are any).

yeah criminal the only version
is hidden away on the jokes
disc. there’s a lovely live version
from a marc riley radio session
where kc changes the offending
word to unkind - ala vice like.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: h1e2l3l4o on Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 14:46 PM
I realise this may be cleared up elsewhere but...
..who/what is Ootwins? Is this a Pip Dylan album? A King Creosote album? A Collab? ...other? ...secret...?
Loving it all the same!
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Post by: kwaing on Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 18:18 PM
I realise this may be cleared up elsewhere but...
..who/what is Ootwins? Is this a Pip Dylan album? A King Creosote album? A Collab? ...other? ...secret...?
Loving it all the same!

Another incarnation of Pip Dylan, yes, short for ‘one of the twins’. There’s a part 2 that was to be housed in a gypsy caravan, but he’s gone and changed his mind and wants to add in more music of a different flavour. I heard this album A LOT whilst running off these tapes two at a time, the playing is astounding.
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Post by: Deegers on Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 16:32 PM
Why is the world interested in techno sea shanties and whether Mogwai have a number one album? That question to anyone.
Sea Shanties, love but this is what its all about.  From the most quiet of venues with the most subliminal of tunes, tones and disintegration loops to the other end of the spectrum, in this case Mogwai...

https://youtu.be/gJRtMnZoYEs

Nosie, visceral entropy and an all out assault on the senses, I love music, musicians and the spectrum of what we as blessed and allowed to absorb.

I can't do it but i will always love and acknowledge those who can.

8 mins 20 seconds in for when it just is.

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Post by: Deegers on Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 16:37 PM
Why is the world interested in techno sea shanties and whether Mogwai have a number one album? That question to anyone.
Sea Shanties, love but this is what its all about.  From the most quiet of venues with the most subliminal of tunes, tones and disintegration loops to the other end of the spectrum, in this case Mogwai...

https://youtu.be/gJRtMnZoYEs

Nosie, visceral entropy and an all out assault on the senses, I love music, musicians and the spectrum of what we as blessed and allowed to absorb.

I can't do it but i will always love and acknowledge those who can.

8 mins 20 seconds in for when it just is.

8 mins 16 seconds actually... ::)

 :D :o 8)
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Post by: ravedamage on Fri, Mar 05, 2021, 00:39 AM
I appreciate this might have been mentioned before, in interviews around the release of Appleman, but I wondered about Melin Wynt (in my top 10 of all KC tracks) and why ye dinnae like wind turbines?

Given they can supply energy that doesnae harm the planet as much as other fuels, is it jist the aesthetics of them or also the attendant noise they can generate? Knowing about your tinnitus, I'd be interested to know how much of a problem this could be if you're near to any.

Living in Norfolk, in the past, seeing loads of them aligned oot on the coast...as well as seeing 'em in and around Fife (driving back to my folks in Methil), I always thocht them to quite bonny to look at. Genuinely curious.
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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Mar 05, 2021, 09:43 AM
I still have very strong views on this, and on many diverse subjects, but learned the hard way to either keep those views to myself, or air them only in private  :) I don’t mind wind turbines, or opinions come to that, leaking into songs now and again (third person, bit of vocoder, etc.).

On a brighter note, Lonepigeon is doing a roaring trade in vacuum cleaners - I bought one off him yesterday for £25.
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Post by: baldpar on Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 09:15 AM
I found the Dreaming Without Sleeping documentary on the BBC Iplayer and was interested in the point where you said you had spent a lot of time penning some songs for From Scotland With Love that were rejected. Have those songs seen the light of day anywhere else?
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Post by: franzkafka on Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 12:18 PM
Talking about songs seeing the light of day reminds me of a conversation I had with you (KC) 2 or 3 years ago.   You said you were working on a song about the Franklin Expedition in search of a Northwest Passage through the Arctic.   I've been watching "Terror" on the iplayer about this very subject, and wondered if that song had been completed/recorded.
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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 12:26 PM
I found the Dreaming Without Sleeping documentary on the BBC Iplayer and was interested in the point where you said you had spent a lot of time penning some songs for From Scotland With Love that were rejected. Have those songs seen the light of day anywhere else?

Unaware of the Grip (smavulgar) I wrote to replace My Favourite Girl, and Prize of the Carnival Shows (Hamilton) was written for the funfair bit. I snuck the latter back into the live shows last year. There are a couple of other lyrics I wrote for sections that ended up silent, or as an instrumental reprise, but they didn’t get worked up into songs.

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 12:30 PM
Talking about songs seeing the light of day reminds me of a conversation I had with you (KC) 2 or 3 years ago.   You said you were working on a song about the Franklin Expedition in search of a Northwest Passage through the Arctic.   I've been watching "Terror" on the iplayer about this very subject, and wondered if that song had been completed/recorded.

Lord Franklin, a tiny bit of it anyway, did get used on a channel 4 documentary about the Erebus. The instrumental version went onto ‘the bard and the ugly twosome’ alongside a few hymns and whatnot.
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Post by: franzkafka on Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 12:50 PM
Is there a recorded version with lyrics on release?   It's a very dark story, even after you remove the supernatural elements from the tv version ( i.e the sasquatch dude).  Plenty to get your teeth into.....
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Post by: stephen on Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 13:11 PM
terrorble that programme should be callled ahahahahahhaha
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Post by: franzkafka on Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 16:36 PM
I'm quite enjoying it but I filter out all the supernatural stuff and just look at it as a story about human folly.  I'm like those south koreans who released The Sound of Music dubbed into korean and without the songs - just as a straight thriller. Aren't they clever?
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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 18:25 PM
In the true story the kind doctor grew up in Cellardyke, at the Hermitage.
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Post by: franzkafka on Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 19:46 PM
life was doubly cruel, the poor fella :)
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Post by: Sunday_Boy on Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 15:58 PM
yeah criminal the only version
is hidden away on the jokes
disc. there’s a lovely live version
from a marc riley radio session
where kc changes the offending
word to unkind - ala vice like.

Thanks, for the prompt, Leckers - after a bit of a rummage, I found that I had a recording of this radio session, which included KC singing from a phone directory to prove Marc Riley's theory that he could make this sound "beautiful and heartbreaking". Radio gold!
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Kate on Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 00:40 AM


Unaware of the Grip (smavulgar) I wrote to replace My Favourite Girl, and Prize of the Carnival Shows (Hamilton) was written for the funfair bit. I snuck the latter back into the live shows last year. There are a couple of other lyrics I wrote for sections that ended up silent, or as an instrumental reprise, but they didn’t get worked up into songs.

I’ve just gone to bed, read my diary entry from last year and realised the Edinburgh live show was exactly a year ago! How happy we all were then and who’d have thought things would turn upside down so quickly. I wrote( at great length in tiny writing)about how amazing it was and how smoothly it seemed to go, how it was an added treat to have the new Fence Collective as support and we looked forward to that perhaps leading to something more. Bloody Covid. I also wrote that Prize of The Carnival Show had been included and something else but I can’t read my writing!
Anyway, please please can we have gigs again later this year, even tiny ones? (Not sure if I’m asking Kenny or the god of pandemics) Kate x
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Post by: creophile on Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 19:35 PM


Unaware of the Grip (smavulgar) I wrote to replace My Favourite Girl, and Prize of the Carnival Shows (Hamilton) was written for the funfair bit. I snuck the latter back into the live shows last year. There are a couple of other lyrics I wrote for sections that ended up silent, or as an instrumental reprise, but they didn’t get worked up into songs.

I’ve just gone to bed, read my diary entry from last year and realised the Edinburgh live show was exactly a year ago! How happy we all were then and who’d have thought things would turn upside down so quickly. I wrote( at great length in tiny writing)about how amazing it was and how smoothly it seemed to go, how it was an added treat to have the new Fence Collective as support and we looked forward to that perhaps leading to something more. Bloody Covid. I also wrote that Prize of The Carnival Show had been included and something else but I can’t read my writing!
Anyway, please please can we have gigs again later this year, even tiny ones? (Not sure if I’m asking Kenny or the god of pandemics) Kate x

that was "circle my demise"
I was happy to be at the Aberdeen and Perth shows
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 16:54 PM
Circle My Demise was an experiment to see how far I could go in adding new/old songs to the FSWL party. I’ll Fly By The Seat Of My Pants would have been a better choice, I only thought of it on the long bus ride home from Manchester in the very early hours of lockdown 1.
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Post by: stephen on Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 16:59 PM
Circle My Demise is one of the greats.
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Post by: Leckers on Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 18:43 PM
never a truer word spoken.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: creophile on Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 20:53 PM
CMD is probably my favourite KC song, along with Leslie, in all their many versions
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Post by: fuctifano on Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 13:35 PM
Karlsruhe - always been a wee fave of mine.
I have a version on a usb stick in the car that has KC with Jimmy Yorkston kinda mumbling along as he does. Not sure it really suits JY that song but it's a good version all the same.
Question is - where did it originate? The only info behind the file says Karlsruhe, JY & KC, NZ Christmas Album.
Any ideas?
Also - have you ever been to Karlsruhe? Feel free to make something up if you've not.
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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 22:08 PM
Hmmm ... NZ or FZ? It might’ve been a fencezine track if the latter. I’ll check. Maybe it went on a JY B-side, or a sampler. I do have a hazy recollection of recording a couple of different Karlsruhes myself as well.

Yes, I busked in Karlsruhe in 1991 with the Dubhs. A very strange thing happened in that the streets emptied, a violent wind storm blew up from nowhere and disappeared just like that, and then the streets filled up again. It was like the locals knew exactly what was going to happen and when, yet nobody warned us. We left town after that.

We found the Germans to be very generous when it came to putting coins in the case. Appreciative audiences too.

Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: Leckers on Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 23:06 PM
is it the green man
festival album? just
listened to it - braw
version. hadn’t heard
it before.
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Post by: kwaing on Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 10:37 AM
That’s where it ended up, cheers. JY and I worked on a few tracks for one of his early EPs, Blue Blazin’ Blind Drunk etc., and Karlsruhe maybe didn’t make the grade. Waste not want not!
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Post by: arab on Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 21:23 PM
Karlsruhe - always been a wee fave of mine.
I have a version on a usb stick in the car that has KC with Jimmy Yorkston kinda mumbling along as he does. Not sure it really suits JY that song but it's a good version all the same.
Question is - where did it originate? The only info behind the file says Karlsruhe, JY & KC, NZ Christmas Album.
Any ideas?
Also - have you ever been to Karlsruhe? Feel free to make something up if you've not.

I went on holiday to New zealand way back when and kenny gave me a cd to try and sway the kiwis to the majesty of fence.  i never did share my headphones with anyone so in the nuek they stayed

track list - oh my what a track list it was...  heartbreaker after heartbreaker

Karlsruhe - kc & jy
Lavender moon - pd & jy & kc
Alberta
Little Maggie
Blue Bleeezin Blind Drunk - kc & jy
At the WAL (1)
At the WAL (2)
Love your present
Uncle Beeslys postar Dish  OTF & UB
You Want to Walk - KC & JY 
Musakal Lives - KC & OTF

Pretty much every tune will make you greet.    Listening now its like taking a trip back in time
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Post by: stephen on Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 19:11 PM
Karlsruhe - always been a wee fave of mine.
I have a version on a usb stick in the car that has KC with Jimmy Yorkston kinda mumbling along as he does. Not sure it really suits JY that song but it's a good version all the same.
Question is - where did it originate? The only info behind the file says Karlsruhe, JY & KC, NZ Christmas Album.
Any ideas?
Also - have you ever been to Karlsruhe? Feel free to make something up if you've not.

I went on holiday to New zealand way back when and kenny gave me a cd to try and sway the kiwis to the majesty of fence.  i never did share my headphones with anyone so in the nuek they stayed

track list - oh my what a track list it was...  heartbreaker after heartbreaker

Karlsruhe - kc & jy
Lavender moon - pd & jy & kc
Alberta
Little Maggie
Blue Bleeezin Blind Drunk - kc & jy
At the WAL (1)
At the WAL (2)
Love your present
Uncle Beeslys postar Dish  OTF & UB
You Want to Walk - KC & JY 
Musakal Lives - KC & OTF

Pretty much every tune will make you greet.    Listening now its like taking a trip back in time

What's that version of Musakal Lives on?
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: arab on Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 10:07 AM
Karlsruhe - always been a wee fave of mine.
I have a version on a usb stick in the car that has KC with Jimmy Yorkston kinda mumbling along as he does. Not sure it really suits JY that song but it's a good version all the same.
Question is - where did it originate? The only info behind the file says Karlsruhe, JY & KC, NZ Christmas Album.
Any ideas?
Also - have you ever been to Karlsruhe? Feel free to make something up if you've not.

I went on holiday to New zealand way back when and kenny gave me a cd to try and sway the kiwis to the majesty of fence.  i never did share my headphones with anyone so in the nuek they stayed

track list - oh my what a track list it was...  heartbreaker after heartbreaker

Karlsruhe - kc & jy
Lavender moon - pd & jy & kc
Alberta
Little Maggie
Blue Bleeezin Blind Drunk - kc & jy
At the WAL (1)
At the WAL (2)
Love your present
Uncle Beeslys Popstar Pish  OTF & UB
You Want to Walk - KC & JY 
Musakal Lives - KC & OTF

Pretty much every tune will make you greet.    Listening now its like taking a trip back in time

What's that version of Musakal Lives on?

i don't know if its on anything else - possibly one of Gavs releases?
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Post by: Lavinia on Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 10:06 AM
Easter just wasn't the same again without the duck race and weekend of fun at the Dreel Hall. The hall must be finished its renovations now and hopefully gigs will take place there in the not too distant future. We have had our first injection with no side effects, it is all starting to look like we will be able to have summer gigs, we still have tickets for the Bandstand to look forward to and the gig in Strathaven.  Do you have any others penciled in Kenny?
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Post by: ravedamage on Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 23:19 PM
Harking back to seeing you for the first few times, one occasion was in the wee bar in Dundee Rep in 2005. You were either supporting or co-headlining with a band called Otterley? It wis a guid gig. Any memories of that? And what happened to Otterley, if ye ken?

The Long Slow Death on KY10 has a melody eerily similar to a track by a certain New Romantic outfit...has always been one of my favourite tracks by them.
Which leads me to the question, what has been your favourite experience of being chauffeured anywhere?

And, I've been enjoying Wandavision as well as the The Falcon and the Winter Soldier recently...dunno if the Marvel Comic Universe is on yer radar but, if it is, which Avenger would you identify with the most?
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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 00:06 AM
Easter just wasn't the same again without the duck race and weekend of fun at the Dreel Hall. The hall must be finished its renovations now and hopefully gigs will take place there in the not too distant future. We have had our first injection with no side effects, it is all starting to look like we will be able to have summer gigs, we still have tickets for the Bandstand to look forward to and the gig in Strathaven.  Do you have any others penciled in?

Despite the near legendary juggling skills it’s enough to have just the two gigs that are still very much up in the air.
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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 00:34 AM
Harking back to seeing you for the first few times, one occasion was in the wee bar in Dundee Rep in 2005. You were either supporting or co-headlining with a band called Otterley? It wis a guid gig. Any memories of that? And what happened to Otterley, if ye ken?

The Long Slow Death on KY10 has a melody eerily similar to a track by a certain New Romantic outfit...has always been one of my favourite tracks by them.
Which leads me to the question, what has been your favourite experience of being chauffeured anywhere?

And, I've been enjoying Wandavision as well as the The Falcon and the Winter Soldier recently...dunno if the Marvel Comic Universe is on yer radar but, if it is, which Avenger would you identify with the most?

I remember playing the DCA a year or two earlier, and I can vaguely remember the ‘otterley’ unforgettable band you mention, but not of playing the Rep alas.

The Slow Death features a 4 track recording of my uni band Uncle Ralph, and it was Ralph himself who programmed that particular bit of music in 1986. I’ve not been chauffeured, just taxi’d about really, but I did a couple of chauffeuring jobs for Mr. Black when I lived on Teasses, the most memorable being when I picked him up from Gullane to be told I had just over a half hour to get him to the Perth races. When I next see you I’ll tell you whether or not I made it in time and how fast I drove in order to make/not make it in time.

Is Groot an Avenger? Scarlet J? There was some sort of vintage car rally in the Neuk at the weekend there and I was overtaken by a Hillman Avenger, no kidding. I soon caught him up though in the queue behind the 95.
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Post by: kwaing on Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 23:28 PM
The Long Slow Death on KY10 has a melody eerily similar to a track by a certain New Romantic outfit...has always been one of my favourite tracks by them.

And yes, very similar. I’d’ve rewritten ‘hungry like the wolf’ or something from the Arcadia album myself - the Lady Ice song perhaps. There’s surely got to be a DD song on ‘planet eggz’ ...
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Post by: Leckers on Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 18:06 PM
as it looks like we may be
heading out of lockdown
from may onward, was
wondering if are there
any kc/fence gigs being
lightly pencilled in? that
question also to whiskers
stephen? i’m itching to
get over to the neuk for
a soirée. x.
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Post by: kwaing on Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 08:52 AM
My diary has but one fixed date - April 29th, disc brakes and tyres for the auld Audi. If I switch out ‘auld Audi’ for ‘mangled Montego’ it could be 1996 all over again. Wish it was.
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Post by: ayjayemm on Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 21:31 PM
Ha!
  Nice to see a positive reference to Arcadia!
 For years me and my pal Stephen thought we were the only people that liked or remembered So Red The Rose.
And yes, a KC versh of Lady Ice would be great.
 So as to stay within the parameters of this thread whilst maintaining a link to the idea of splinter bands/ side projects, etc (and cunningly leading on from a previous question about the Mark Hollis LP) what did you make of the other group that rose from the ashes of Talk Talk ; O.Rang?
I dug them, but was also a little freaked out by them.
Kinda like life.
Title: Re: F.A.Q.s (from 2 or less people)
Post by: kwaing on Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 07:32 AM
There are 3 corners on which Captain Geeko’s music tastes and my own happily meet, those of REM, Japan and Talk Talk. Now and then a tune by O.Rang pops up on a playlist made up of songs from Fables Of The Reconstruction, History Revisited and Secrets Of The Beehive, and every time I ask “who’s this again?”

But that was back when I had a working CD player in my car and would wing by Dura Den to pick Geeko up for those gigs we used to play. On April 5th I played Colour Of Spring on repeat, and only yesterday dug out my cassette copies of Monster and Reveal. Neither of the tapes ran to a full side.

That leaves Japan. It seems only fair to dust off that collection of 7” and 12” singles.